Light or Shadow?

Two things:

1) I'm getting sick of this iPad...I have too many spelling issues...

2) Jestor, what your telling me is that this community is merely a Force Realist order, and not a Jedi Order. That's fine, FA is a Force Realist board with three different "orders" within it. So I don't have a problem with it, however, I want to hear how YOU (as a person) are a Jedi. No blanket statements, tell me how Jestor is a Jedi. ^^

I find it funny that people have a difficulty to find the definition between light side of the force and the dark side or obscure ???.The definition is simple for the truth I know of , and i am not born yesterday . Well i really think without any offence to anyone , but a jedi knights suppose to know the truth after is training camp if that is and what is not the definition is so simple .Right is the jedi and wrong is sith there some mixing in with the other your part of clan or your not if your not get out and if your staying in or get in .Is this for somebody or I Am hallucinating i must be an actor or something or a role model HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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where there is book force teaching there of love

Hello, Master Jedi. I am honored by your response.

Jestor wrote:

Not true, we still love you...

I look forward to seeing how long that remains true...

Well said, and while many of us agree, its still opinion...
Everything is.....

However, I must respectfully disagree on the last two parts of your statement above.

We give words concrete meanings to increase the power of their use in our lives and thinking. Lax use of language leads to little in the way of inner transformation.

Whenever you utter a word, whether you realize it or not, you are creating a field of attention within which consciousness is temporarily concentrated or "fenced" to facilitate organization, discernment, and resultant harmonious understanding. If that field of attention consists of nothing but chaos and ambiguity, then how is that in any way useful, except as an example of what to avoid? And how is such an assertion merely my opinion? It's how language has worked on a basic level since its inception. Prove me wrong.

Secondly, not everything is opinion. I am very surprised to see you assert otherwise. I would be willing to agree that everything is faith in the Force (the subject of a different discussion altogether), but not opinion. Quite a few things in life are a matter of verifiable fact, otherwise there would be no science and no reliably getting things done on a daily basis.

To put it a different way, try walking in on the love of your life cheating on you, and tell me that your heartbreak and grief are merely your opinion. Try getting mugged and tell me your bruises and empty wallet are merely your opinions. Construing these events as negative would be opinion, but not the visceral realities of their occurrence.

I realize the seriousness of making any statement and saying it's not just opinion. I did not do it lightly (no pun intended), nor do I intend to make a habit of it.

The particular statement of mine in question was not opinion but mysterium -- that which must be experienced in order to be understood. To those who have not yet had an experience, any perspectives attendant to that experience can seem inseparable from opinion.

Then again... I suppose any of the Admins here, experience notwithstanding, have a responsibility not to contribute to an atmosphere that would decrease membership by its specificity. To become consciously One with the Force, or in other words, to see Reality as it truly is (whatever that may be in the moment), we must first burn away the seeds of illusion.

Fraternally in the Force,
-David

PatrickB wrote: I find it funny that people have a difficulty to find the definition between light side of the force and the dark side or obscure ???.

I assume when you speak of people you mean the membership here? Does that mean they are dumb or slow in the up take?

PatrickB wrote: The definition is simple for the truth I know of , and i am not born yesterday .

So you know the Truth? So if the Truth is yours and the others do not agree with you they are in error I assume?

PatrickB wrote: Well i really think without any offence to anyone , but a jedi knights suppose to know the truth after is training camp if that is and what is not the definition is so simple .Right is the jedi and wrong is sith there some mixing in with the other your part of clan or your not if your not get out and if your staying in or get in .

Lol., I do not take any offense, my wife tells me every day I`m wrong. Well if a Jedi Knight is supposed to know Truth but do not seem to know it here and you possess the Truth why do you not request immediate Knighting? Now you seem to be dishing out invitations and bans (assuming I have understood correctly) so while you are collecting your knighthood why do you not take your seat on Council? But if those who do not agree would have to go there would not be very many left here.

PatrickB wrote: Is this for somebody or I Am hallucinating i must be an actor or something or a role model HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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where there is book force teaching there of love

PatrickB wrote:

Right is the jedi and wrong is sith

Brother, I sincerely wish it were that simple. I really do. Life would be a lot clearer and simpler.

All paths lead to the Force. But that doesn't mean that some paths aren't shorter or more pleasant than others. It's not really a matter of right vs. wrong so much as more useful vs. less useful. We must focus to combine memory with the multiplicative power of imagination, regulated by reason, to see ahead while simultaneously turning within to listen to the voice of the Force. If our vision is clear, what it shows us will never contradict the inner tuition of the Force. Thereby we may discriminate rightly as to which path will be most beneficial, for such harmony serves as a sure sign that we may proceed with confidence.

In the past I have embraced the Dark Side of the Force, to immediate and stunning effect. So I know it exists, and that it is powerful, and relatively easily accessible. The problem I found was that passion and emotion do not mix with stillness, and it is only through stillness that one may quiet the noise of their personality (ego) enough to achieve knowledge of and conversation with the small, still voice of the Force within.

The Dark Side does indeed subtly cloud the truth, hiding it in plain sight, although we do not realize this in the "heat" of using it, so to speak. I also was not comfortable with how the experiences felt disrespectful of life, although that was perhaps due to my choice of application. I suppose the silver lining there is that I am living proof that even after setting foot down its path, the Dark Side need not dominate anyone's destiny.

Also, being specifically a Sith (as opposed to a Dark Side Force user) seems very much akin to the reactionary psychology behind Satanism vs. Christianity. Even the Sith Code is very obviously based derisively on the Jedi Code, or the first line wouldn't be "Peace is a lie; there is only passion." Inner peace is only a lie for those who have not yet experienced it, and outer peace will become a common phenomenon in the world once a sufficient percentage of the population attains inner peace. (May the Force be with us.)

The Sith Code does speak accurately when it says that it will break your chains. That it can definitely do, if applied intelligently. It will free you from that which would otherwise oppress or enslave you, and it will do it right now. But it does so at the cost of forging a set of spiritual chains over time, ones rooted in the destructive vicissitudes of our own passions. Often these new chains blind us to the Lights of empathy and compassion, and contribute to the eventual manifestation of sociopathy and, in extreme cases, corrupted physiology. What we do to others, we do to ourselves, because there is only ever One Thing. Separation is the lie, not peace.

Fraternally in the Force,
-David

Alethea Thompson wrote:

I'm getting sick of this iPad...

Hey, if you don't want it, I'll take that iPad off your hands...

But only if it's an iPad 2. I'm very choosy in my begging. Just sayin.

Fraternally,
-David

16 teachings, 3 tenets, code, creed, and most importantly, a necessity to join the order, to profess allegiance to the Force.

Jestor, what your telling me is that this community is merely a Force Realist order, and not a Jedi Order.

There used to be a sith section, which is gone. We keep it Jedi now.

By quieting the ego you either poke the superego or you prod the id. Neither of those are healthy. You need a balance of the three to be a healthy human being.

Peace is a lie, yes. But how do we define that? Peace can exist. Inner peace. Tranquility. The absence of conflict in your life if only temporarily. But conflict is inevitable. The trick with being Sith is that we don't ask worship or praise, but study and definition. Each Sith acolyte is asked to define the Sith Code for his or her self. When I say peace is a lie, I mean to say that conflict is inevitable.

If you think the dark is destruction, sociopathy, corruption and evil, then you need to re-define the dark side and check your education. The darkness only corrupts those too weak to handle it.

But alas... you can seek the truth and learn something, or defy the second line of the Jedi code and remain shrouded in ignorance. If you do the first, then you're a wiser man than many. If you do the second, you will always be at disadvantage when dealing with the dark side.

One must confront and overcome their dark side. The dark side of ourselves is not taboo and to be avoided. That is what leads to the wash of superficial weak lightsiders in the community right now, they are told to avoid the dark side at all costs.

It is easy to never fall when you have never been tried. Do as William says, learn about your darker side and overcome it if you want to be a light sider.

Luke did it metaphorically in the cave on dagobah. AND he even failed.

Ren: Getting closer, how do you cultivate them?

(so far Ren's given the best answer, come on guys, tell me how it has become a part of your life)