Jedi and Sexual Orientation

Sean, what you have written shows a great level of maturity and you should recognise and be proud of that

I completely understand your view, albeit mine is with spiders which are obviously trying to eat me whenever I see them nearby...

There are things (other than spiders) that I used to get so caught up about and concerned with, then I started telling myself: "This really doesn't make sense does it?"

That is the first step and perhaps the hardest one to reach...

It is nothing to be ashamed of what you feel when you watch homosexual romance scenes as you have recognised that aspect within yourself and are dealing with it in your own way ('knowing' you shouldn't be like that)

I think of this kind of progression as 'inevitable realisation', once you have reached that point I find it slowly just dawns on you that it really doesn't matter and eventually you'll find that it doesn't matter at all

We can't force ourselves to change overnight, but overnight we can teach ourselves to begin changing

I don't think I need to make an epic post here, since so many wonderful points have already been made.

So I'll just add that I am bisexual and romance people, cause I think human bodies are super nice :woohoo:

Like many guys enjoy girl on girl kissing, I also think guy on guy kissing is quite nice :silly:

Sean i believe you have a very strong point.

I think what you're getting at stems from natural thoughts in the head, ones nobody can be rid of. You see the beautiful woman with sexual tension and it pleases alot of people. But then you also see the man that has managed to get into that position. If we find that woman attractive our subconscience element automatically gives pack leader attributes to that male. Like a pack of wolfs. Alot of people wont admit it, but we then enjoy seeing the man we now admite, doing what we want to do to the woman we are attracted to.

Alot of people seem to think they can completely subdue our natural element. Its as natural as getting adrenaline when a fight breaks out next to you.

I think any sex scene in a movie is a little "ehhh" it takes away from the story. But what I do like is any romance scene (not sex but the emotions behind the couples in a story whether gay/straight/bi/whatever)...not that I think sex is icky or bad I just don't want to see any two people playing tonsel hockey. It's just not very interesting in comparison to what the story is actually about.

Snowy wrote: Sean i believe you have a very strong point.

I think what you're getting at stems from natural thoughts in the head, ones nobody can be rid of. You see the beautiful woman with sexual tension and it pleases alot of people. But then you also see the man that has managed to get into that position. If we find that woman attractive our subconscience element automatically gives pack leader attributes to that male. Like a pack of wolfs. Alot of people wont admit it, but we then enjoy seeing the man we now admite, doing what we want to do to the woman we are attracted to.

Alot of people seem to think they can completely subdue our natural element. Its as natural as getting adrenaline when a fight breaks out next to you.

That is an interesting theory, however to be honest I don't think we subconsciously assign pack leader attributes to them. If we do however they must pale in comparison to the feelings of jealousy that most people get when they see something like that

Where did you hear about this theory? It's quite an interesting one

I myself have just evolved from a 5 year hell pit of undesirable disrepair.. Not really understanding what I wanted needed or desired within my life. This darkness I have been travelling through has bought me nothing but pain...

Its seemed a very low iron count ( Iron controlling hormonal levels) was a huge contribution to my unthinkable behaviour... We tired Iron supplements with only a mild adjustment in my temperament

At my darkest point of a mind meltdown, just for a minute moment in time as I hated what was happening to me and how I was behaving, the thought of taking my own life rested peacefully with me... (How could I be so selfish). That's when reality called to me. (GET OFF TO THE DOCTORS COZ YOU IS ACTING LIKE A CRAZY WOMAN).

The purpose of my hystercmony was to void the cancer that has claimed the lives of family member's, my doctor said operation would also balance my hormonal levels too. I had the operation a year ago in August and I was a told a year to balance everything out and I have to admit, since about July time and with the grace of coming under the guidance of my Jedi Master, I feel so very different, personally, intimately, spiritually.

Hell, I'll still give ya crap if you throw stones at me, but i think that's just my persona.

I meant to reply to this topic weeks ago, but time got away from me, haha.

I think the reason you see more of the GLBT (sorry if I missed one) crowd here is because of the openness and compassion and outright lack of critical judgment on such personal matters from our fellow Jedi.

I would also venture a guess that most of the traditional religious paths probably didn't measure up...either their doctrine condemned it or their modern practitioners disapproved of it and so there was a group of people looking for a good place to call home. (There are some traditional religions that are OK with the gay lifestyle, but this is a recent development.)

I grew up in a very conservative Mormon religion that made no bones about condemning the gay lifestyle. I was even taught that HIV and AIDS was God's punishment on gay people. You can be a Mormon and gay today, but you must be celibate. :S

I'm like Jedi Desolous in the fact that I'm straight but am an advocate of gay rights, and whenever their is legislation pending in my community or state to give more rights to gays and bring them onto equal footing with the rest of the population, I always vote for them.

MTFBWY,
LTK

Honestly, I identify as straight. I also at the same time am insanely curious as to what a woman is thinking about when it comes to sex. I have even wondered what it would be like to be a woman for a period of time, say a week or a month or some other limited period of time. I also find myself very disappointed that I will never get that opportunity to gain that knowledge. I don't think this stems from any issues with gender identity or sexual orientation, I honestly just want to know what a woman is experiencing, and what her perspective is. Sort of like a first hand play by play of everything from brushing their teeth to eating to sleeping to sex. Seriously, what is going through a woman's head while there are doing stuff throughout the day? This curiosity borders on an obsession.

As far as being accepting of people that like different flavors than me; I grew up a very conservative Christian. Like bible thumping conservative. Then sometime during my Junior year of High school I started to have my doubts. I looked at many of the people who claimed to share the same beliefs i had then and realized that we weren't any better than anyone else. I also heard the song "What it's like" by everlast the first time(no idea why I hadn't heard it before). this song hit me like a ten ton wrecking-ball of truth. So i started trying to walk a mile in people's shoes in my head. I found that I couldn't reconcile my faith with the way I saw the world and started looking. It eventually lead me on a winding path to here. Along that path I met people, made friends, came to dislike others, and came to realize most importantly, that one size does not fit all. That is why I cannot justify treating homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, or that wierd guy that lives under the bridge who is in love with a soccer ball(football for the non american crowd) any differently because of who they love. My experience with Wicca left me with a very important bit of advice 'an it harm none, do what thou wilt'.

As a straight ally, I found this thread fascinating to read. My wife & I have volunteered for "no on 8" (California, 2008), and Vote for Equality since. I've also had recent conversations with EQCA (Equality California). The common thread is: the voice of the straight ally is weaker than it should be.

Normally, I believe in the 1:10 speaker ratio: for every person who speaks, they're actually speaking for 10 (9 other people agree with the 1). But, why are the other 9 so silent? (Not just with LGBTQI issues, but anything in life.)

I was =NEVER= political until the 2008 elections, when proposition 8 was on the ballot. I felt the need to fight it. I still have the "no on 8" placard in my back window of my car, and that was 4.5 years ago! (Has it been that long already?!)

Gay / trans- / bi- / poly- persons, stop by and say hello some time. I love talking with everyone in the community; I strive to be the sane voice for the straight portion of our population.

I was really happy to see this topic on the forum. Usually when I enter an online community one of my first questions is if they are an accepting community or not. I never even asked that question when I joined here because my initial perception was that the Jedi teaching of accepting all people as being equal in the eyes of the Force was a respected here. I'm glad to see that reflected in this discussion.

Also, this might be the first time I've come across a forum thread on this topic anywhere on the internet without seeing comments saying that the gays choose to be the way they are or something else equally insulting. It's really wonderful to see and feel the acceptance here.

To go along with the previous posts, I'm and out and proud Lesbian and GLBT activist.