marijuana

So in a nutshell, perhaps, but can anything be proven!?

When it comes to this, nothing can be proven, yet.... Or disproven yet... It is what makes sense to the individual....

How do you show what your mind has perceived? No matter how hard you explain it, some people will think that you are correct, and that what you experienced is correct.... And others will think you are a dingbat.... By "you", I mean anyone trying to convince another of anything not tangible.....

Is it possible to find without psychedelics?
Is it possible to find with psychedelics?
Is it possible to find with meditation alone?

For some, yes... For others, no....

And still others, maybe...

Again, it goes back to perception... And as we all perceive things slightly differently, I can tell you how I experience it, and you say, "that's not what I felt"... When a possibility maybe I lack the proper terminology to describe what it is that I experienced.... And that what we each felt lwas the same...

Basically, is there a correct or moral way to find knowledge of the force or is it a destination with more than one path? And if so are their negative side-effects if one decides to use a short cut?

Correct or Moral? That is for the individual to decide....

Negative, or side affects are always a possibility.. I would never recommend the use of any thing, this is for the individual to decide....

Addiction and/or death, are always the most extreme possibilities.... Jail, injury, injury to another, and a long list of other possibilities need to be considered as well...

If, a person decides to try using mind alternating substances, I do recommend doing it correctly... Safe environment, safe people around... I have played "host" at acid experiences, although I too was using, I have experience in the area, and cared for my charges, to make sure their experience was as safe and positive as possible...

Ad I have said, has been said, and I am now closing with,

I would never recommended anything dangerous or illegal to anyone... Life is too short, and too beautiful...

You can study astronomy without a telescope and cells without a microscope. You can say that those who use those instruments are taking shortcuts and not having a natural experience by just using their eyes alone.

You can demonize something because someone somewhere has found a way to misuse or abuse it.

This subject is vast and far beyond marijuana alone although cannabis is a major topic.

It's just not possible to say NO you should never do this or that or YES everyone should try this or that.

I could tell you about how almost thirty years ago I had a priceless wonderful experience with sacred mushrooms that changed my perspective for the better to this day.

I also know that the glasses I'm wearing right now to see this computer screen clearly would make most of you blind and unable to drive or read. I'm blind and unable to drive without them.

The insulin I just injected after lunch keeps me healthy and gives me a normal blood sugar (I'm diabetic), but if most of you took that same shot you'd go into a coma and die.

If your philosophy is never break the law then I guess you believe Rosa Parks should have stayed in the back of that bus. Had you lived in the time that slavery was legal in parts of the United States you'd never have helped a slave escape to freedom since it was illegal. You'll sit and watch your friend with cancer waste away from starvation though marijuana allows her to have an appetite because even in a state with medical marijuana it's still breaking federal law.

I wish I could fit THE ANSWER in a post. I can't. I can only hope that whatever your position is I've disturbed it.

Okay. So I'll warn you now that I have a major bias. My father was addicted to meth and my ex was addicted to marijuana to the point where he was lying an hiding and taking money to get it. I was almost evicted because he was smoking it. So I will say that yes, there are absolutely negative side effects that aren't always physical. Now to the question of the possibility of having sacred experiences and being open and receptive to the Force without psychodellic drugs. I know for a fact that doing it without them is not only possible, but incredible. Perhaps I have an advantage as I am not distracted by sight. I don't know. What i do know is that I can very easily go into a meditative state. I go out into nature or just sit in my bedroom and go into a calm, relaxed states and receive some amazing insights. I've heard that in Amsterdam, the drug abuse is very low as it's legal there. I am a person who doesn't drink, smoke, have marijuana, or drink coffee. It's been joked that I have the cleanest background check in California. I really don't like when people are high around me, but understand that I'm not the only person on the planet and won't impose my beliefs on others even if sometimes I wish I could. I choose not to take drugs because I have been a singer my whole life. I want to keep my lungs healthy and my voice strong. As far as medical marijuana is concerned, I am personally all good with it. I just prefer to stay away from all drugs.
Leena

Hi loverofknowledge. I don't mean to be nosy but when you say you're not distracted by sight do you mean you ... what do you mean?

I don't blame you for being biased.

Yes it's possible to attain insight without the benefit of using the various substances we've been discussing. It certainly happens to many who've had a Near Death Experience and, as in your case, it can happen spontaneously.

Well, it's fairly simple and no worries. I don't think it's nosy. The reason I'm not distracted by sight is because I was born completely blind. I have three conditions in my eyes. Well, two now since they managed to remove the cataracts. And on that note, I don't know if you've seen drunk or high blind people, but it's pretty scary. It's also hilarious at times. Oftentimes, it's really dangerous so for my particular community, marijuana is really a terrible idea.
Leena

This is a topic very dear to me! If marijuana substance is the only substance that Hindu spiritualists can do, who are the Jedi to say you can't. It is an herb. Don't Jedi use Herbs. It is remarkably non-toxic and has healing affects. I make an anti-inflammatory cream from Cannabis here in California. Works great! I even massage people with oils that I make from it! Jedi should not fear cannabis. It is m belief that cannabis and the healing of our world through the force are one and the same!

Planet of Chaos wrote: This is a topic very dear to me! If marijuana substance is the only substance that Hindu spiritualists can do, who are the Jedi to say you can't. It is an herb. Don't Jedi use Herbs. It is remarkably non-toxic and has healing affects. I make an anti-inflammatory cream from Cannabis here in California. Works great! I even massage people with oils that I make from it! Jedi should not fear cannabis. It is m belief that cannabis and the healing of our world through the force are one and the same!

It is truly a gift from God. It's one of the best ideas she ever had.

My thoughts are that jedi should be always level headed and composed. Years ago when I used to smoke pot I couldn't compose myself enough to tie my shoes...I think that mind altering substances should not be be condoned by the jedi..

Alcohol, however, consumed responsibly and in moderation could be overlooked...

Luke wrote: I think that mind altering substances should not be be condoned by the jedi..

Not even limited use like under controlled conditions for sacrement or research into the nature of the Force and oneself?

Luke wrote: My thoughts are that jedi should be always level headed and composed. Years ago when I used to smoke pot I couldn't compose myself enough to tie my shoes...I think that mind altering substances should not be be condoned by the jedi..

Alcohol, however, consumed responsibly and in moderation could be overlooked...

Well, as you've had unpleasant experiences with pot, I can't control my alcohol....

There is a right time and wrong time, if you ask me....

Arguments abound for whatever side of a coin one wishes to pledge allegiance to...

Marijuana allows me to become very focused, last time I smoked anyway, more than 10 years ago... Now, prolly put me to sleep!! lol...

But, what is right for you as a Jedi, doesn't mean it is right for all... This is a general statement, directed at all.... Not just Luke....

That's why Shaken did the peyote, and otherel thing that allowed them to "see", not everyone can handle everything, nor responds the same...

Just my thoughts... lol...