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Alcohol actually destroys your body actively though, marijuana not so much (other than the smoke you breath damaging your lungs).

Toxicity to marijuana is low, and no studies have shown there being any significant amount of permanent brain damage/change that I am aware of.

Also the weed I smoke isn't laced or have anything added to it, I smoke pure marijuana as do most others that I know. I haven't ever even seen laced weed, I've bought from a lot of people.

Leena wrote: I'm interested in what classifies an unjust law."

Personal opinion, just and unjust are personal opinion...

When enough people of a like minded personal opinion, band together, it becomes a law... Commonly accepted, or understood law, or legal law..

As not all prescription medications are for everyone, neither, in this case is pot....

In older cultures, maybe myself, and those who find enlightenment in smoking marijuana, doing acid, or 'shrooms would be the Shamen ....

It is definitely not for everyone....

Abuse is abuse, drugs, alcohol, masterbation, speeding, spanking your kids... Pick the topic...

We are not all the same, (duhr jestor) maybe I can smoke weed, (which seldom made me lethargic, and i lived doing things, mowing, painting, going for walks, training my dogs, etc....) But alcohol and I have issues... (cause we do!!)....

Maybe I can deal with other people civilly, but I'm an a** at home to my wife and kids...

Penicillin helps some, causes allergic reactions in others...

Just sayin'

In every debate there are going to be different sides to the argument.

I am not disagreeing with the legal use of marijuana. I believe that it is less harmful than alcohol. It is not physically addictive. And, there are several benefits to be gained from the cultivating the plant for agricultural and industrial purposes.

To effect change though the argument must be brought before those with the authority to do so. And a rational argument must be presented to sway others to your views. And, although many feel as though some civil liberty is being infringed upon by the denial of personal choice; comparing the “right” to smoke pot to mass genocide is, I’m sorry, insane! And is not the argument that will sway close minded conservatives.

As always, Jestor makes many good points. And I hold his opinion in high regard.

Of course, the government knows all the facts about the topic and has deemed not to legalize the substance. So one has to ask why; and, to what end would a persuasive argument have to be made?

Depends on the government. Isn't it legal in California?

I may be incorrect but I believe that in the U.S. it is a federal crime which supersedes any state law. Which would be odd in the states where it is legalized. Because civil authorities would still be obligated to enforce federal law even though state would allow it.

So, it is almost as though the legalization is no more than a farce.

But, I think the original question of the thread was if we “Jedi” are allowed to smoke pot. I would think for legal purposes are “official stance” would be to not publicly condone the use or possession of any illegal or control substance.

Well, I am generally considered a right wing nut job by those who know my political views in depth. HOWEVER....lately I have been less nutty and more realistic (mostly due to my parties inability to get its head out of it's a**). I personally disagree with Marijuana. I will not partake in it. I also don't smoke or drink alcohol or partake in illegal drugs of any form. That being said, I have not been presented suffcient evidence that pot has an overall negative effect. there will always be cases of abuse, that goes for anything. But for responsible pot users, be it medicinal or recreational, evidence has not piled up against them. So until someone can provide mostly unbiased documentation spanning several years, that meets the standards of any other scientific reasearch test, that Hemp/Pot has the sort of negative effect they all claim, then I see no reason why we should deny responsible users the legality of use.

I will interject on this though, I said RESPONSIBLE users. If a law or agreement were to come about, it should DEFINATELY be limited and restrictive. Military members should not be allowed to partake as long as they are within the legal perameters of their contract. That rule stands now for subtances like Spice, and for good reason. Any Law enforcement, Fire fighter, government or state official that has a DIRECT job for national security, or deals in the safety of others, should not be allowed to use marajiuana until their employment is no more. I am not so stupid as to think you are not impaired even slightly when using pot. We already have enough people who botch the above jobs 100% SOBER. Impaired, many will let things slip that they normally wouldn't.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on marijuana.

Nothing should be used excessively. And those that the drug affects negatively need to be prepared to change their lives now knowing the negative consequences. For Jedi, maybe they can get away from it easier, for everyone else, maybe not so much.

(And when I say nothing should be used excessively, I'm talking strictly about marijuana or other things that might be in the same category. I don't intend that comment to be extrapolated to more extreme drugs.)

Wescli Wardest wrote: I may be incorrect but I believe that in the U.S. it is a federal crime which supersedes any state law. Which would be odd in the states where it is legalized. Because civil authorities would still be obligated to enforce federal law even though state would allow it.

So, it is almost as though the legalization is no more than a farce.

But, I think the original question of the thread was if we “Jedi” are allowed to smoke pot. I would think for legal purposes are “official stance” would be to not publicly condone the use or possession of any illegal or control substance.

That makes sense from a legal point of view. But then that would mean tobacco and alcohol abuse is ok. Also, what about Jedi living in the Netherlands, where marijuana is legally commercialized?

Wescli Wardest wrote:
Of course, the government knows all the facts about the topic and has deemed not to legalize the substance. So one has to ask why; and, to what end would a persuasive argument have to be made?

Of course the government knows all the facts. So do all the pharmaceutical companies that lobby to keep marijuana illegal. Our government is bought. And the marijuana industry basically only exists in California so there's no one with a big enough pocket book to finally pay enough to get it decriminalized federally. It's all about greed with our government. You gotta pay them to get what you want.