QUESTION

Duty to the temple is assumed secondary to devotion toward the life purpose of the path abroad, with knighthood and its vows being more concerned with the latter. Among that devotion is one's choice to contribute to the cause of the temple either directly or indirectly.

Many tend to take their oath in a manner as if their devotion by the oath must be to the temple and if they leave, their oath must be rescinded, and thus, rescind it when leaving unfortunately. However, the devotion is toward the Cause of the temple, which is synonymous with the cause of the Jedi way of life abroad regardless what community you are a part of or if you are a part of any of them.

That's the blind leap of faith maybe!?
I totally understand your view Aqua. I had a similar idea during my IP. I think it's a part of something each individual has to do on their own, figure out for themselves. Very difficult to answer some times.

Connor L. wrote: Not when the job description of the Knight is TIED to service of the temple.

If the vow was truly general, then it wouldn't need to be rescinded in order to leave TOTJO. That's the problem.

How are you to leave, yet retain "rights and privileges"?

You can remove the knighthood. You can remove the membership. But, don't make the person leaving say they are no longer Jedi. Which, is effectively what has happened in cases where people leaving the Temple have rescinded their oaths.

You may choose to interpret it differently, but be considerate of their feelings. Or, my feelings too. You know how I had to struggle for months to rescind my vow. It was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.

Honestly, no one can tell you you are not a jedi, while the Vow was not totjo specific, you trained here, and oath/vowed here, and earned the knighthood here...

Please, fill out a membership if you like...

We are one site in an internet full...

I would assume your oaths/whatever are valid elsewhere?

Could have just revoked your Vow, or simply gave it back...

You were the one who said you didnt feel you could be a member of this site, I explained how (after talking about it, IM not that rude people, lol) that happens...

Nothing is stopping you from redoing it, if we meet with your personal code...

Just because a person is not a member here does not mean they are not a jedi, it means they do not belong to the totjo jedi, that is all...

Connor L. wrote: You can remove the knighthood. You can remove the membership. But, don't make the person leaving say they are no longer Jedi.

Please forgive me if I am not so free or allowed to talk about it.. but I do get a feeling you have a double feeling about your actions. Even though I do not know what happened, Connor. Feel free to come back, or to stay in your current position, my chatbox is always open if you worry about it. Please do not feel sad!

So you're saying I'm being too sensitive to let a vow define me. Then, why take one in the first place?

Connor L. wrote: You can remove the knighthood. You can remove the membership. But, don't make the person leaving say they are no longer Jedi. Which, is effectively what has happened in cases where people leaving the Temple have rescinded their oaths.

You may choose to interpret it differently, but be considerate of their feelings. Or, my feelings too. You know how I had to struggle for months to rescind my vow. It was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.

I have no recollection of this ever happening (the temple telling someone they are not Jedi if they leave the temple) to anybody upon leaving? Am I missing something?

Was Connor Forced to Recend/Rebuke his oath/vow?

I do not enjoy seeing you unhappy, Connor. Do not read my words as a insult, I did not spoke about 'too sensitive', or' vow define'. The vow does not define you, but it does define membership. And you can choose to be or not to be. Being member and membership are two different things. :blush: