QUESTION

The vow does not define you, but it does define membership.

You are right. But, when I have to say: "I rescind my oath", I feel as though I am saying I am no longer a Jedi Knight. This is because the oath is worded as such that to say it means you are a Jedi Knight.

I am not affected by the fact that I was forced to say the words. I am hurt that the Temple feels it is necessary to remove membership...

I feel like I could just say: "I do not want to be a member here anymore". And, that's that...

Triss, I was not "forced" to do it. But, I had moral reservations about being a representative of a website that hosts illegal materials. So, I wanted to have my knighthood rank removed. In order to do this, I was forced to say that I no longer want to be a member at TOTJO and I had to revoke my Simple/Solemn vows. Something about paperwork, I think.

Proteus wrote: I have no recollection of this ever happening (the temple telling someone they are not Jedi if they leave the temple) to anybody upon leaving? Am I missing something?

The Solemn oath says that I accept my responsibility as a Knight and I will continue to grow in the Force.

When I had to revoke that oath to remove my membership, I effectively said that I am no longer a Jedi Knight, and I will not continue to grow in the Force.

Is this not so?

Perhaps, as we're digging into this a bit, there is an alternate interpretation of the vows we take here.

As I now understand it, maybe the vow only promises to do it while we're here. So, when we rescind it, we aren't necessarily saying we wouldn't do it in the future, only that we're not promising to do it anymore? It seems kind of clonky. But, I am trying to understand everybody else's viewpoint on this too.

Connor L. wrote: In order to do this, I was forced to say that I no longer want to be a member at TOTJO and I had to revoke my Simple/Solemn vows. Something about paperwork, I think.

This is what I meant I know you chose to move on....But not to revoke your vows. By forcing you to revoke your vows as the vows are worded now is to force you to deny the Jedi Path. I would have been quite upset by it as well, and am much more reluctant to advance further than apprentice.

Thank you for sharing your words. I am not sure where I can read that rule back, I have never heard of it to be honnest.. I find it strange, because some parts of the vow are usable outside the Temple. Maybe the revoke could be changed into two options. If that would be possible you could re-revoke your oath, it may make you feel a little bit better? Not sure if that would help..

• Continiue as a Jedi without the Temple and the privileges and rights that come with it.
• To quit being a Jedi.

I don't mean to cause anybody alarm, by the way! Please don't construe my message as a knock against the temple. I am so happy I am here.

Aqua, I wish that the first one was an option for sure.
Yes, if I could go back and re-revoke my oath I would. Especially if it would keep me from having a Knight rank beside my name.

Triss, it was uncomfortable. And, I wrestled with it for a long time. Unfortunately, my moral code was more important than the one I took on paper.

Connor, you were never forced to revoke anything. You decided to us that you did not want to be a knight, thinking that it was simply a position of membership of the temple (or at least "resigning" as if it were), when it apparently is not. It was completely your choice.

I never said it was not my choice.

I'll lay it out really simply:
Connor is a Knight. He has taken Oaths and such to be one on the membership rosters. Those words mean something (thanks Steam).
Connor has problem with temple on a moral level.
Connor decides to leave Temple Knighthood because Knighthood is a representation of the Temple.
Connor is denied that revokation UNLESS Connor also denies Vows.
But, Connor believes very much in the words of the Vow... What is Connor to do?
Connor has to decide if he wants to remain a hypocrite (by staying a Knight) or by verbally denying his faith and training (by revoking my Oath).
Connor has a tough choice to make.

Is it fair for the temple to ask this of him?

Connor L. wrote:
The Solemn oath says that I accept my responsibility as a Knight and I will continue to grow in the Force.

you may have had TOTJO in mind when you made this vow, but my personal understanding of these things is that it was the Force itself which accepted it, and the Force does not rescind this vow: "forever will it dominate your destiny", whatever direction you may choose (or think you choose lol) afterwards

Connor L. wrote: Connor decides to leave Temple Knighthood because Knighthood is a representation of the Temple.
Connor is denied that revokation UNLESS Connor also denies Vows.
But, Connor believes very much in the words of the Vow... What is Connor to do?

I am disappointed that this was the case

If the oath specifically said 'TOTJO' in it then I would understand... but it doesn't.