Knights Tenure

This is a Jedi website, we train Jedi...

Degrees are in "Jediism", despite my displeasure with the term, :lol:...

You want a degree in Divinity, go pay for one at a university, this is free, we don't ask for much, get over it....

This is my feelings.... No disrespect at anyone, just how I feel...

It all boils down to judgment. Make a decision. Stop being afraid of making a mistake, decide and deal with it. More talk and discussion only perpetuates indecisiveness. Right or wrong do your best. You can't please everyone but if you've done your best what else can you do, wait for things to be perfect? That will take....forever!

My original intent, clean out the dead wood.

That is one of my points. They waste peoples energy and temple resources. Poop or get off the pot. Give them a them a cut off date. Deal with the exceptions. I suspect they will be few, whiners of course will always be whiners.

This is how we try to treat every decision in council, hell, should be in life too....:lol:...

And, doing "due diligence", and yet "not screwin' the pooch" is a fine, tough line for us to walk...

When these conversations pop up that question our decisions, if feels like folks are second guessing us, and then we never spend any time moving forward, because we are spending time defending the past... :lol:....

Jestor wrote: because we are spending time defending the past... :lol:....

I don't think the Past should be defended The future should become adapted isn't that what all you new people tell us Old Guards hermits whenever we bring up the past?

Trisskar wrote:

Jestor wrote: because we are spending time defending the past... :lol:....

I don't think the Past should be defended The future should become adapted isn't that what all you new people tell us Old Guards hermits whenever we bring up the past?

lol, you know what I meant goof...

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RyuJin wrote: if she hasn't done an apprenticeship, then that would have to be done. if she has, then there would likely have to be some sort of trials....

But currently the Apprenticeship is the path to the A.Div. So that would have to drastically change. It would require a whole new set of apprenticeship-level coursework to be designed.

Trisskar wrote: Personally I feel the Studies and Education SHOULD be connected to the rank's of Initiate, Apprentice and Knight. That is after all traditional to Jedi.

The Jobs and Duties themselves however.....shouldn't. They should be defined under their own "Job Titles" [/i]

So you're an advocate of Apprenticeships and Knighthoods without any responsibility tied to them at all?

MadHatter wrote: They worked to get to that level why should they lose it because life takes them away from an online forum? Can we know what caused this? Whose business is it to begin with unless they choose to share it?

Firstly, this is not a military or a paramilitary organization. Secondly, those titles come with responsibilities and the external assumption that they are qualified to speak as representatives of the Temple. Thirdly, actually reading the whole thread would show that the majority of us who want this distinction to be kept are folks who want the "inactive" status to be an actively maintained one; that is, if you stop being inactive, you're active again. That's not something that hurts anyone in any way, it's just showing that they're not currently fulfilling the responsibilities of their title, and therefore do not have the weight of it behind their speech. Knights act like knights, and knights have responsibilities. Same with the clergy. I don't care if ordination is eternal, you still have a responsibility to your flock that you can't just wander off from without some kind of repercussion.

I really, really don't think this is in any way unreasonable, especially given the potential legal rammifications of inactive members maintaining their active status.

steamboat28 wrote:

MadHatter wrote: They worked to get to that level why should they lose it because life takes them away from an online forum? Can we know what caused this? Whose business is it to begin with unless they choose to share it?

Firstly, this is not a military or a paramilitary organization. Secondly, those titles come with responsibilities and the external assumption that they are qualified to speak as representatives of the Temple. Thirdly, actually reading the whole thread would show that the majority of us who want this distinction to be kept are folks who want the "inactive" status to be an actively maintained one; that is, if you stop being inactive, you're active again. That's not something that hurts anyone in any way, it's just showing that they're not currently fulfilling the responsibilities of their title, and therefore do not have the weight of it behind their speech. Knights act like knights, and knights have responsibilities. Same with the clergy. I don't care if ordination is eternal, you still have a responsibility to your flock that you can't just wander off from without some kind of repercussion.

I really, really don't think this is in any way unreasonable, especially given the potential legal rammifications of inactive members maintaining their active status.

Did I say it was a military or paramilitary organization? No I believe I said I view earning the tile/rank in a similar fashion. So straw-manning is pointless. Secondly Knights act like Knights? Do you know they are not acting like a Knight outside the web forum? And what pray tell is their duty to you or anyone? They have earned the title and so long as they live the path by what right should you claim it to be taken away? Further who says they are not training outside the temple? Do they suddenly lose their knowledge of what it is to be a Jedi if they dont post for a set amount of time? Does what they learned and achieved vanish? Then why should they lose what they earned. Oh and to close what legal rammifications are there? Seriously do you think some how being active binds them to more ethical behavior or prevents them misrepresenting the temple? Those things can happen active or not and are ways that would disgrace the temple and thus lose you the title any way. So what exactly is the risk?
Yes I will admit I am a little sarcastic here because frankly I admire those that earned the title Knight and am slowly working to be worthy of it some day myself. I find it a great disservice to say that we will strip you of what you worked for because hey you didnt post for a set amount of time. If someone goes through medical, personal, or professional issues that take them away for a time they should not have to explain that to any one nor work to get back what they have already earned. Frankly the way you talk if I were still active duty I would question continuing further because who knows what might happen when I deploy for extended periods of time.

Literally every point you just brought up has already been discussed in this thread.

Is there confusion on rank being removed for inactivity?

This is not the policy, they simply are not allowed to teach, nor take jobs within the temple...

No one loses their rank for inactivity...:huh:...

steamboat28 wrote: Literally every point you just brought up has already been discussed in this thread.

Ok I just reread the entire thread to ensure I missed nothing. You wish to suspend a persons "active" status and demand they preform a task as set by the counsel (Which btw can take a week or more to decide anything because they are human and have lives to live) if they are gone for a set length of time. So what you are saying is hey you had to deploy suddenly, got hit by a car, lost a job, etc lets make you do something extra because life side swiped you and you didnt contact us. That is in my eyes a smack in the face to people who likely left because of sudden hardship. They cant return to normalcy here. nope gotta do what you feel gets them back into good graces.

Further the senarios of knights acting up etc etc are ridiculous because A) them being active or inactive does nothing to change that people will see them as a Jedi and them behaving in such a way is grounds for loss of Knighthood to begin with. Frankly Ives seen little merit other then making people do extra work because they happened to have life get in the way and you didnt. I consistently had to deploy with little to no notice when I was a sailor of 7th fleet and would be very very irate if each and every time I had to do something special to become active again. My job was first and by regulation I cannot give out opsec information. Nor would I feel the need to explain myself because my job demands that I be able to be at sea at a moments notice.