The obsession with Rank
tzb wrote: Several members have recently asked about gaining rank as quickly as possible. Some believe they have enough personal study to "skip ahead", others are keen to skip steps if possible.
Why?
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I'm one of those people that asked for a little accommodation. Just enough to get started on clerical studies, that is where my interests lay. I don't care about rank and Knight stuff. It's nice but doesn't interest me as much as clergy. I'm willing to be quizzed on my life experiences by a committee to determine if that is a possibility. I think I would be a good at that. I was politely declined and have no bad feelings about having been. Maybe another, day another time, things will be different? I just thought I express and share my thoughts.

I'd like to add this:
Jediism is a syncretic system, so 'picking and choosing' is what sort of what we do(simplified).
Exactly. Flexibility is what I was asking for. To pick and choose, customize, my training/development would take valuable time from a person or persons already heavy with responsibilities. I understand and accept that.

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Some things we can pick and choose, some things are necessarily dependent on other things. You might pick to ride a horse and cart, you might pick to just ride a horse, but you can't pick to just ride a cart, in other words

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tzb wrote: . So if you wanted to become a member of the Clergy, you'd need to do the IP anyway - I don't see that changing any time soon. But who knows
I know, just sharing my thoughts. I wasn't complaining. I'm unique. Always walked to my own tune. That's my strength I draw on. That's my destiny. I am what I am. I am comfortable with me. Still believe I'd be good clergy.

Who knows what the future holds? Things change. People change. Everything is as it should be until it isn't.
Unless.....?
Watch the person's actions, they speak volumes more than any rank ever can.

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- We have over 25000 user accounts
- We have under 50 Knights, Senior Knights, Masters and Grand Masters (combined) after 10 years
That means Knights+ make up less than 0.2% of the Temple community.
It also implies it is pretty hard to become a Knight. That chimes with how worthwhile of an experience it has been for me. You have to be prepared to work hard, to change, to achieve it. And as I said in the OP... that is the point.
I don't think rank is worthless. I'm currently working towards becoming a Senior Knight, and hope to be a Master one day. I do so because I recognise the sincere commitment that will take. I understand that practically, I won't gain anything but a sense of progress from doing so. But I also know Snr Knight represents a huge amount of study (twice that which it took to go from Guest to Knight). I know that being a Master some day will represent three completed Apprenticeships, and Apprenticeships are hard to deliver, especially if, like me, you think anything worth doing is worth doing well.
I do think people give it too much attention. But that's just one opinion. Thank you all for yours.

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Br. John wrote: Our content management system, Joomla, uses the term "rank bars". That led to degrees being referred to as ranks. At TOTJO Knight is a degree awarded for completing a particular initial course and then the experience of unique personal studies and projects with a Knight.
If I may ask, what is the difference between degree and rank? According to some sites, a rank is used to indicate place within grid like structure. And a degree is about indicating a personal stage. So far, it does sound logical.
What I do not understand, what makes a degree in the temple not grid like? Is it because each member of the temple does not have a specific task that would be needed to call it a rank? But we could we call it a rank due to the fact that knights swear a oath? The Solemn Vow does tell that Knights in global have the duties of a knight, that sounds more like a rank in my eyes. How should I understand your post? I am a little bit confused..
~ Aqua
Solemn Vow
"I, [legal name] born on [dd/mm/yyyy], profess before all and without reservation, that I choose to devote myself to the Jedi path. I vow to uphold the Jedi teachings, to fulfil the duties and responsibilities of a knight, and to cultivate understanding of the Force."
free dictionary about degree:
2. A step in a direct hereditary line of descent or ascent: First cousins are two degrees from their common ancestor.
3. Relative social or official rank, dignity, or position.
4. Relative intensity or amount, as of a quality or attribute: a high degree of accuracy.
5. The extent or measure of a state of being, an action, or a relation: modernized their facilities to a large degree.
6. A unit division of a temperature scale.
7. Mathematics A planar unit of angular measure equal in magnitude to 1/360 of a complete revolution.
8. A unit of latitude or longitude, equal to 1/360 of a great circle.
9. Mathematics
a. The greatest sum of the exponents of the variables in a term of a polynomial or polynomial equation.
b. The exponent of the derivative of highest order in a differential equation in standard form.
10.
a. An academic title given by a college or university to a student who has completed a course of study: received the Bachelor of Arts degree at commencement.
b. A similar title conferred as an honorary distinction.
11. Law A division or classification of a specific crime according to its seriousness: murder in the second degree.
12. A classification of the severity of an injury, especially a burn: a third-degree burn.
13. Grammar One of the forms used in the comparison of adjectives and adverbs. For example, tall is the positive degree, taller the comparative degree, and tallest the superlative degree of the adjective tall.
14. Music
a. One of the seven notes of a diatonic scale.
b. A space or line of the staff.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/degree
free dictionary about rank:
1.
a. A relative position in a society.
b. An official position or grade: the rank of sergeant.
c. A relative position or degree of value in a graded group.
d. High or eminent station or position: persons of rank.
2. A row, line, series, or range.
3.
a. A line of soldiers, vehicles, or equipment standing side by side in close order.
b. ranks The armed forces.
c. ranks Personnel, especially enlisted military personnel.
4. ranks A body of people classed together; numbers: joined the ranks of the unemployed.
5. Games Any of the rows of squares running crosswise to the files on a playing board in chess or checkers.
v. ranked, rank·ing, ranks
v.tr.
1. To place in a row or rows.
2. To give a particular order or position to; classify.
3. To outrank or take precedence over.
v.intr.
1. To hold a particular rank: ranked first in the class.
2. To form or stand in a row or rows.
3. Slang
a. To complain.
b. To engage in carping criticism. Often used with on: Stop ranking on me all the time.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rank
Wikidiff about rank and degree
As nouns the difference between rank and degree is that rank is a row of people or things organized in a grid pattern, often soldiers [the corresponding term for the perpendicular columns in such a pattern is "file"] while degree is .
As a adjective rank is (obsolete) strong; powerful; capable of acting or being used with great effect; energetic; vigorous; headstrong.
As a adverb rank is (obsolete) quickly, eagerly, impetuously.
As a verb rank is to place abreast, or in a line.
rank
English
Adjective
(obsolete) Strong; powerful; capable of acting or being used with great effect; energetic; vigorous; headstrong.
Strong of its kind or in character; unmitigated; virulent; thorough; utter.
rank''' treason / '''rank nonsense
Strong in growth; growing with vigour or rapidity, hence, coarse or gross.
Suffering from overgrowth or hypertrophy; plethoric.
*1899 ,
*:The moon had spread over everything a thin layer of silver—over the rank grass, over the mud, upon the wall of matted vegetation standing higher than the wall of a temple [...]
Causing strong growth; producing luxuriantly; rich and fertile.
Strong to the senses; offensive; noisome.
Having a very strong and bad taste or odor.
Your gym clothes are rank , bro’ – when d’you last wash ’em?
(informal) Gross, disgusting.
Complete, used as an intensifier (usually negative, referring to incompetence).
I am a rank amateur as a wordsmith.
* {{quote-news
|year=2011 |date=March 1 |author=Phil McNulty |title=Chelsea 2 - 1 Man Utd |work=BBC |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9405635.stm |page= |passage=Chelsea remain rank outsiders to retain their crown and they still lie 12 points adrift of United, but Ancelotti will regard this as a performance that supports his insistence that they can still have a say when the major prizes are handed out this season. }}
Synonyms
* (bad odor) stinky, smelly ** See also: pong (UK) * (complete) complete, utter
Adverb
(en-adv)
(obsolete) Quickly, eagerly, impetuously.
* 1590 , Edmund Spenser, The Faerie Queene , II.iii:
The seely man seeing him ryde so rancke , / And ayme at him, fell flat to ground for feare [...].
* Fairfax
That rides so rank and bends his lance so fell.
Noun
(en-noun)
A row of people or things organized in a grid pattern, often soldiers [the corresponding term for the perpendicular columns in such a pattern is "file"].
The front rank''' kneeled to reload while the second '''rank fired over their heads.
*{{quote-book|year=1907|author=
|title=The Dust of Conflict |chapter=7|url=http://openlibrary.org/works/OL4429277W |passage=Then there was no more cover, for they straggled out, not in ranks but clusters, from among orange trees and tall, flowering shrubs
(chess) one of the eight horizontal lines of squares on a chessboard [the corresponding term for a vertical line is "file"].
(music) In a pipe organ, a set of pipes of a certain quality for which each pipe corresponds to one key or pedal.
One's position in a list sorted by a shared property such as physical location, population, or quality
Based on your test scores, you have a rank of 23.
The fancy hotel was of the first rank.
(class)The level of one's position in a class-based society
a level in an organization such as the military
Private First Class (PFC) is the lowest rank in the Marines.
He rose up through the ranks of the company from mailroom clerk to CEO.
(taxonomy) a level in a scientific taxonomy system
Phylum is the taxonomic rank below kingdom and above class.
(linear algebra) Maximal number of linearly independent columns (or rows) of a matrix.
The dimensionality of an array (computing) or tensor (mathematics).
Derived terms
* break rank * close ranks * pull rank
Verb
(en-verb)
To place abreast, or in a line.
To have a ranking.
Their defense ranked third in the league.
To assign a suitable place in a class or order; to classify.
* I. Watts
Ranking all things under general and special heads.
* Broome
Poets were ranked in the class of philosophers.
* Dr. H. More
Heresy is ranked with idolatry and witchcraft.
(US) To take rank of; to outrank.
Anagrams
* * * English intensifiers ----
degree
English
(wikipedia)
Noun
(en-noun)
An individual step, or stage, in any process or scale of values.
A stage of rank or privilege; social standing.
* 1526 , (William Tyndale), trans. Bible , Luke XX:
Master, we knowe that thou sayest, and teachest ryght, nether considerest thou eny mannes degre , but techest the waye of god truely.
(genealogy) A ‘step’ in genealogical descent.
* 2002 , , The Great Nation , Penguin 2003, p. 140:
Louis created the École militaire in Paris in 1751, in which 500 scholarships were designated for noblemen able to prove four degrees of noble status.
* 1851 , (Herman Melville), (Moby-Dick) :
If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree , some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.
The amount that an entity possesses a certain property; relative intensity, extent.
*
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A stage of proficiency or qualification in a course of study, now especially an award bestowed by a university or, in some countries, a college, as a certification of academic achievement. (In the United States, can include secondary schools.)
(geometry) A unit of measurement of angle equal to 1/360 of a circle's circumference.
(physics) A unit of measurement of temperature on any of several scales, such as Celsius or Fahrenheit.
(mathematics) The sum of the exponents of a term; the order of a polynomial.
(graph theory) The number of edges that a vertex takes part in; a valency.
(surveying) The curvature of a circular arc, expressed as the angle subtended by a fixed length of arc or chord.
Synonyms
* (unit of angle) * (unit of temperature)
Derived terms
* degree Celsius * degree centigrade * degree days * degree Fahrenheit * academic degree * first degree burns * second degree burns
Related terms
* scale
Usage notes
* A person who is engaged in a course of study leading to the earning of a degree can be described (in the present progressive tense) as "doing a degree" in British English, and as "getting a degree" in American English. For example, in American English, "She is currently getting''' her master's degree at State University."'' In British English, ''"I am still confused about when to use 'an' instead of 'a'. Is it an hour or a hour, and if someone is '''doing a master's degree in arts, is it an MA or a MA?" ([http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/anma?view=uk Ask Oxford.Com - Ask the Experts - Frequently Asked Questions (Grammar)]).
Statistics
* 1000 English basic words
http://www.wikidiff.com/degree/rank
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For example, the position of Vice President of Member Affairs is an office - not a rank. In this case Jestor can make unilateral decisions and take actions. He can overrule moderators. But The Council (as a whole) outranks Jestor and me (Br. John) for that matter.
There is no required rank to be on The Council or be an Officer. It's not even required that a persona be a Member. We could make it so but it's not in our Charter or By-Laws. Just think, if The Council wanted too and Khaos accepted he could be Vice President of Jedi Sith Relations. We could even elect a non-Member Sith to The Council.
If that seems strange - well - there are strange things. When it comes time to elect a Pope any male baptized Catholic is eligible and could be elected under the laws of the Church. Even a 12 year old boy. I believe something of that sort happed but it was hundreds of years ago.
Ren was a full voting Member of The Council until he resigned that position and his rank was just Member.
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Rickie wrote: I'd like to add this:
Jediism is a syncretic system, so 'picking and choosing' is what sort of what we do(simplified).
Exactly. Flexibility is what I was asking for. To pick and choose, customize, my training/development would take valuable time from a person or persons already heavy with responsibilities. I understand and accept that.
While I appreciate what you are saying, you took my quote out of context and used it for a different one; I was talking about beliefs not training.
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