Seriously anything real or practical here????

Alethea Thompson wrote: Jestor, his post should have no bearing on how one responds to him because that post may easily be the one someone judges all the order on.

The order treats people as individuals. We don't just wheel out stock responses to every inquirer.

Why would it be preferable that we treat people who come here to stir the same as those who come here to observe, communicate and learn?

We are not and nor should we become one-dimensional. I have to say I find the part quoted above kind of baffling. If that really were the case, why not simply close the forum and expand the FAQ?

I still think that the responses given here were about fifteen times more positive than the inquirer would get anywhere else online. Most people were simply helpfully stating that we are not a "kewl powerz" automat ( for you youngsters ) with as much patience as they could individually muster given the tone and circumstances.

I welcome the OP to come back and hang out with us. We may not be what they're looking for, but there's a lot of good here.

Everyone who comes here should be treated the same, with understanding and respect. People come for many reasons and how we interact with others shows who we are.
We don't loose anything by being polite, firm and respectful. We may even teach others.
By being defensive and allowing our responses to be dictated by others, kinda shows us in a different light.

This is just in response to

Why would it be preferable that we treat people who come here to stir the same as those who come here to observe, communicate and learn?

elizabeth wrote: We don't loose anything by being polite, firm and respectful.

Agreed. I don't see any posts which were anything other than that here.

What I posted was only in response to the quote at the end of my post. Not a judgement on anything else said here.

Yeah, when OP asks something in the Subject line, follows up in his body, gets a response, then grumbles that someone hasn't answered his exact question in the subject line?

I dunno.

Being that OP didn't really elaborate on what is 'real' or 'practical' beyond "I know magick and talk with spirits" would kind of make even *me* scratch my head as to figuring out what they really want.

Then, if asking for clarification, instead there's a dash of hostility tossed in, I'm gonna start doubting motives. At this point, I'd go for another approach, but again, with no follow up for clear path of what they're asking for, they're going to start treading on some thin ice.

I would assume that working with magick/spirits, one would understand there's a bit of patience involved, and that intent, along with clarity of desire, would go a long way to getting to where someone wants to be.

No, I think OP had a very different mindset coming in here, and seemed to have drastically different expectations. And when they weren't being met, decided to write people off.

StarWalker930 wrote: I would assume that working with magick/spirits, one would understand there's a bit of patience involved....

You would be absolutely astonished at how many messes I've had to clean up because that assumption is giving people too much credit.

Haha, maybe that's a pitfall of mine. I like to give people a chance, and at least the respect that they *do* know what they're doing or talking about.

At least, until they show me otherwise. *Then* I will start to be more reserved.

Everyone at least deserves a chance.

elizabeth wrote: Everyone who comes here should be treated the same, with understanding and respect. People come for many reasons and how we interact with others shows who we are.
We don't loose anything by being polite, firm and respectful. We may even teach others.
By being defensive and allowing our responses to be dictated by others, kinda shows us in a different light.

This is just in response to

Why would it be preferable that we treat people who come here to stir the same as those who come here to observe, communicate and learn?

He showed no respect for anyone, and that was pretty much the end of conversation. Despite the many replies of this thread the discussion was finished from the beginning. He manage to do that in two steps:
1) He came in the mood to judge, and mostly to brag about how great HE was. And
2)He didn't use the breaks when he got the chance to do so. He didn't get no for answer.

In the topic i notice and small signs of elitism especially in the topic who has power and who are not. People count who can use mental powers and who can not according to a reality and according to rules that i do not know, and i do not understand, so long i do not have any power even a clue how is possible for someone to have powers of this nature.

So because i do not know nor i understand the background of using mental powers and so long that the concrete rules of mental power usage were missing from the discussion, i am forced to count the judges about "who have or not" the magic/mental power ability as elitism.

I hope that i am/was not unfair and i do not wish to mock anyones believes.
May the Force be with you all.
Robert.

"Some will; some won't; so what." The Jedi faith is not for everybody. People come here looking for a place to call home, find this is not it and move on; no biggie.

I do think that Exarchias has a point though, the OP did seem to have an elitist attitude and appeared to be only looking for an audience to their greatness. It's like trying to walk into a Mensa meeting for the first time and declaring yourself the smartest person in the room.