Seriously anything real or practical here????

Silvermane wrote: I do not doubt that he speaks with Spirits and uses Magick

I doubt it. None of the very few practitioners of old magic that I know would ever speak openly about communing with spirits on an internet forum. As I'm sure you know, that stuff is highly personal and not a topic that is thrown around in introductions to strangers. I once had to drink some mixture of myrrh and other stuff before I could even buy herbs from a guy so I highly doubt that true practitioner would just flaunt that kind fo stuff on a forum he just joined. Whoever Arramu is, he isn't genuine.

Oneiros wrote: Whoever Arramu is, he isn't genuine.

I am willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I agree that bragging about something as personal as communing with Spirits is not something any practitioner would ever do. He might be young and is satisfied with his accomplishments and doesn't understand why it is important to be humble and quiet about such things. He's only posted a few times and aside from two small pieces of information, I cannot say who or what he is or what he is about.

Considering he has since left, we will not find out any more information to see any type of legitimacy or evidence that proves or disproves what he claims. I wish him the best in his endeavors and trust in the Force to guide him.

Alexandre Orion wrote: As it were, magick is "non-practical means to practical ends" ...

... so, if there is 'nothing practical here' then one who practices magick would have a lot to work with.

Well stated, Alexandre.

Not enough information. Barring instinct(human after all), no reliable assessment can be made. Regulated to non-issue.

Arramu wrote: Hi, discovered this website today and I recently went over the forum, after reading all the other stuff. However I do wonder what you guys are on about. I mean I am ketting the impression that this is a freaki g philosophical(?spelling) community. As if your view of a jedi is to be a highly ethical, deep thinker.

As for the force...I dont mean to insult but just asking, is there anything practical? Not even physical training seems to encouraged and meditation....well many dont even kmow what it is. As for the sake of this I have a good background in mind powers and magick, but now I end up thinking I am on a poetry website...

Everything here is real and practical. If you came looking for something you aren't finding, that's a problem with the road chosen, not the destination arrived at.

Silvermane wrote: I am willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I agree that bragging about something as personal as communing with Spirits is not something any practitioner would ever do. He might be young and is satisfied with his accomplishments and doesn't understand why it is important to be humble and quiet about such things. He's only posted a few times and aside from two small pieces of information, I cannot say who or what he is or what he is about.

Considering he has since left, we will not find out any more information to see any type of legitimacy or evidence that proves or disproves what he claims. I wish him the best in his endeavors and trust in the Force to guide him.

I think that's fair. He probably is young and we don't know anything about him really so it's unfair to make a firm judgment. However, if I were a betting man, I know what I'd wager.

1 - as a guest you can see a limited amount of the site, so try not to make judgements based on incomplete information.
2 - we generally expect that our members have enough intelligence and self motivation to take the learning's and apply them in a practical manner in their own lives. IE, no one gets spoon fed here.
3 - If you do struggle to understand how to implement whats offered here in a practical manner, try asking for help.

Well said Brenna, couldn't agree more with you.

The Problem in this thread that I see (because I'm going to call it like I see it):

No one actually answered his question, you all went on the defensive and choose to answer with philosophical rhetoric or challenging him. I'm a little disappointed I wasn't here before he bounced. I really did want to know more of how he saw this communicating with spirits as practical. But you know, I'd have gone about this a much different route than the rest of you.

So let's redirect this question back to what the subject asks: Anything real or practical here?

Temple of the Jedi Order seeks to understand where people are before they are able to work with you on the more advanced concepts. It is true that based on the Star Wars mythos martial arts seems to be something that would have become a major part of the Jedi Path. Although there are Jedi orders that requires martial arts, Temple of the Jedi Order believes there are a number of ways one can accomplish a healthy body, not always does that carry into a strong physical fitness regime. As it concerns defending others, it is the ToTJO belief that you can do so without having to ever lift a finger against your opponent. As such, when someone enters into an apprenticeship they may explore one of these methods and make it into their own "defense art".
Meditation is talked about, but there are so many different ways to accomplish meditation that ToTJO does not believe in limiting people to just one. Instead of doing so, you might find that there as a serious lack of discussion on it simply because it is a part of one's personal journey to experience meditation, and they may or may not want to share that publicly.

When it comes to training in "the Force", the beliefs of what exactly "the Force" are vary greatly. For people like myself, practical use of it can be found in conventional science or through the soft science of psychology. Shamanic Journeys assist you in gaining greater prospective of who you are, and are practical until the point that you let it take control of your life. You have to learn when you no longer need the shamanic journey to evolve your life, but there are a select few that can be trained to deliver these shamanic journeys, because they are strong of will to not let it interfere with the living world. These people tend to be few and far between. Then there is the use of "the Force" to help calm situations, or to heal with energy those that are open to the process (some may see this as a mystical experience, while others may call it placebo). You might use conventional means of logical deduction, and consider it a gift of "the Force" that you have the ability to do such things because you are a thinking human being.

Once again, we find ourselves considering the practical uses of "the Force" in the realm of personal experience and understanding. I would say that the fact ToTJO does not sit here and preach that people should sit and meditate for hours on end until they can gain the ability to use force powers the way that John Chang uses them, and instead encourages people that want to heal others to pursue a tangible science (surgery, emergency medical services, etc) demonstrates a responsible take on how we live in the here and now, and that we need to do things to affect our here and now rather than what we -might- be able to do in the future.

So is there anything real or practical here? There is, everything I've posted above is taught to students that demonstrate a sincere interest in what is beyond the outer halls. I will, however, admit that it is a bit of a tragedy these things are not spoke of more publicly- and only understood once you get to know the members of the order.

*bows*

No one actually answered his question, you all went on the defensive and choose to answer with philosophical rhetoric or challenging him.

Alethea...

Are you telling me you don't read his post as slightly hostile?

Its the same problem anyone who comes here and is deemed disrespectful by those who interact with him/her...

And in his second post he called one guest a "retard"?

I'm sorry, but you don't go into another person's "house" and act like a jerk, and then expect your hosts to tolerate the disrespect...

I don't give a shit if a person is a unknown, or a "big name" in the community...

"What you put out into the universe, comes back to you"

So dont be a jerk... lol... (anyone, not you Althea, specifically, lol...)

'm a little disappointed I wasn't here before he bounced. I really did want to know more of how he saw this communicating with spirits as practical. But you know, I'd have gone about this a much different route than the rest of you.

Yes, you would have...

And the results could have been the same...

Alethea Thompson wrote: The Problem in this thread that I see...No one actually answered his question

I think I did a pretty good job, honestly. To hell with false modesty, my answer was damn near perfect.

When I came here, I was looking for the same thing our guest was. All I found was philosophy. Rather than starting off with an overtly hostile post, and following it up by calling people "retards", I waited around, talked to a few people, and found out what was really going on here.

This place isn't what I was looking for, but there are other places I can get that. What this place offers is unique. Just because you don't find bacon at a vegan store doesn't mean you yell at the shopkeep. It means you see if there's anything you'd like, and if not, politely exit to find the nearest butcher's.