Muammar Gaddafi

Donkey wrote: You throw around "before gaddafi's death" as if he died peacefully in his sleep. His countrymen revolted in the face of torture, overthrew the regime and then brutally murdered him in the street. Does not sound like his people thought he was the greatest. Even sadam Hussein got a trial

I see. Getting killed by terrorists is a crime.

Also, Saddam Hussein was convicted of killing 150 people who were planning to assassinate him. Strangely enough, Saddam too had decided to stop using the US dollar to sell his oil before his country was attacked by foreign forces.
The trial was shambles, with judges being constantly replaced, court dates based on US elections, witnesses forced through threats to testify what they had been told to testify, defence lawyers killed, witnesses paid to testify, multiple witnesses testified that the supposedly dead people were in fact still alive, even more claimed he was innocent, defence lawyers got banned from the court, video recordings of the trial were doctored, evidence was found to be fake on multiple occasions. He was supposed to get an appeal, but his demand was rejected a month later.

What a trial.

ren, Saddam Hussein was completely a different person... I'm not sure about his trial, but do you know about wars he started? Do you know about chemical weapons he used during it's war with Iran? do you have any idea how many people are still (after more than 2 decades) suffering because either themselves or their father/mother was under one of those chemical weapons? Do you know about his prisons? I personally know someone who was there in war (met him in a voluntary job) he still has nightmares, a loud sound drives he crazy...

Gaddafi was a great leader for his nation, but Saddam Hussein...?

And one of the reasons that Gaddafi didn't had a trial was because he stood there, until the last minute... but Saddam Hussein didn't did the same.

ren wrote:

Donkey wrote: You throw around "before gaddafi's death" as if he died peacefully in his sleep. His countrymen revolted in the face of torture, overthrew the regime and then brutally murdered him in the street. Does not sound like his people thought he was the greatest. Even sadam Hussein got a trial

I see. Getting killed by terrorists is a crime.

Also, Saddam Hussein was convicted of killing 150 people who were planning to assassinate him. Strangely enough, Saddam too had decided to stop using the US dollar to sell his oil before his country was attacked by foreign forces.
The trial was shambles, with judges being constantly replaced, court dates based on US elections, witnesses forced through threats to testify what they had been told to testify, defence lawyers killed, witnesses paid to testify, multiple witnesses testified that the supposedly dead people were in fact still alive, even more claimed he was innocent, defence lawyers got banned from the court, video recordings of the trial were doctored, evidence was found to be fake on multiple occasions. He was supposed to get an appeal, but his demand was rejected a month later.

What a trial.

I see the Arab spring was a terrorist plot. Interesting...

Does the leader of every invading country get executed because of the invasion? Or is it just saddam, because he failed to remove the democratic government of Iran despite all the help he was getting?

Do you know about chemical weapons he used during it's war with Iran?

Do you know who supplied those chemical weapons?
germany, france, UK, US, egypt, india, china, soviet union, others... OH DEAR. It looks like the 5 permanent members of the UN security council were among them. (yet again-- they are the largest weapons traders in the world)

When did he attack? After Khomeini alienated all of former non-democratic Iran's friends.

Your either a megalomanic apologist and a truth twister or a troll. I can never tell when you jedis are mind fucking me

I see the Arab spring was a terrorist plot. Interesting...

When JFK got shot, it wasn't murder, it was the american spring.... 9/11 wasnt terrorist attacks, they were surgical strikes led by freedom fighters who wished to free the american people from the evil banks and insurance companies at the world trade center.

different names do not equal different acts. There was no terrorism in libya, now there is, there was no terrorism in Iraq, now there's a lot. I must say I never thought of exploding bombs as blossoming flowers.

Your either a megalomanic apologist and a truth twister or a troll. I can never tell when you jedis are mind fucking me

You can check the evidence yourself. I notice you have failed to support any of your arguments, which have now entirely turned into personal attacks.

ren wrote: Does the leader of every invading country get executed because of the invasion? Or is it just saddam, because he failed to remove the democratic government of Iran despite all the help he was getting?

Do you know about chemical weapons he used during it's war with Iran?

Do you know who supplied those chemical weapons?
germany, france, UK, US, egypt, india, china, soviet union, others... OH DEAR. It looks like the 5 permanent members of the UN security council were among them. (yet again-- they are the largest weapons traders in the world)

When did he attack? After Khomeini alienated all of former non-democratic Iran's friends.

I don't think attacking other countries, results in being executed... I think it was just an excuse to remove him.

So... if I give you the gun to kill someone, does that decrease your guilt? I think no...

ren, i am having a hard time arguing with your absurd points. they are so fantastic that it seems like you are messing with me. i dont mean to attack you personally but it is impossible to argue that lee harvey oswald equals a historic civil uprising to overthrow a corrupt regime. you might admire gadaffi but the people of libya did not.
The Freedom of the Press Index rated Libya the most-censored state in the Middle East and North Africa.
You are getting most of your talking points from a dictator who made his own rules and either banished or imprisoned all dissent.
People have the right to self govern and should not be called terrorists for standing up against oppression.
Are the Egyptian people terrorists? What about the Tunisians? Pussy Riot, Occupy?
Stand up for liberty Ren, not some hokey slogans that belittles true suffering.
And that's all I have to say about that....

He was doing so well but his perhaps true nature let him down in the Uprising's, so I think he was a bit sadistic at the very least. If Gaddafi had not used air-power against the popular uprising then NATO would not have gotten involved (read Syria situation, before Russia exerted its commercial/strategic interest). He also used Mercenaries from sub-Sahara Africa I assume because they were more willing to kill Libyan's then the Libyan's under his control.

I also do not agree the terms terrorist and freedom fighter and inter-changeable. Terrorists deliberately operate against soft non-military targets to induce terror. Freedom fighters operate against military target's which are otherwise oppressing them. The West tends to differentiate from oppression and authority by someones willingness to adhere to laws based on freedom and human rights.

Iraq is very different, it was embroiled in the Cold War at higher stakes then Libya IMO.