Muammar Gaddafi

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11 Jun 2013 20:36 #109050 by
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ren wrote:

Donkey wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya


Did you actually read it?

Yep
I think it was fairly balanced and it still throws enormous amount of shade on your idol. I think your just trolling but if not good luck with defending this guy

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11 Jun 2013 20:43 #109053 by
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ren wrote:

Donkey wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya


Did you actually read it?


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11 Jun 2013 21:18 #109059 by ren
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In the "Libya under Gadaffi" section, Gadaffi's name is mentioned in 5 sentences:

In the early 1970s, Gaddafi created the Revolutionary Committees as conduits for raising political consciousness, with the aim of direct political participation by all Libyans rather than a traditional party-based representative system.

During the early 1980s, these committees had considerable power and became a growing source of tension within the Jamihiriya, to the extent that Gaddafi sometimes criticized their effectiveness and excessive repression, until the power of the Revolutionary Committees were eventually restricted in the late 1980s.

In 1988, Gaddafi criticized the excessive measures taken by the Revolutionary Councils, stating that "they deviated, harmed, tortured" and that "the true revolutionary does not practise repression.

Gaddafi openly condemned the use of torture, as a criticism against several Revolutionary Committees that had condoned the use of torture.

The rebels have used torture against many suspected Gaddafi supporters, targeting black Africans in particular.


So the guy gives everyone free education, free healthcare, condemns torture, swears he'll house all Libyans before his own family, but there's an enormous amount of shade on him?

You give me one of your politicians who has accomplished a tenth of this one guy.(personally I'd like to be able to walk in a people's congress and express my opinions -- damn, I forgot, they don't exist!)

Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.

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11 Jun 2013 21:37 #109063 by
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If you want free education, healthcare and housing look to Northern Europe not northernAfrica. His own people deposed him. He tortured his own people!!!! There are plenty of people who are worthy of your avatar yet you chose him, I wonder why? Troll!

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11 Jun 2013 22:21 #109067 by ren
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There are plenty of people who are worthy of your avatar yet you chose him, I wonder why?


Because he was a true hero? No politician I know of has accomplished as much as this guy.

He tortured his own people!!!!


I proved he was opposed to torture, why don't you prove he did torture his own people?

Also, I live in northern europe. And higher education is not free here, neither is electricity, neither do I get a cut of the oil profits directly transferred to my account.

And btw, NATO was found guilty of war crimes in Libya.

Troll!


Right. For the record, I can appreciate a good argument, but when they turn to cheap tricks, I'm trigger happy.

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11 Jun 2013 22:50 #109069 by
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ren wrote:

He tortured his own people!!!!


I proved he was opposed to torture, why don't you prove he did torture his own people?

You proved that he was opposed to torture because he said he was opposed to torture? Really? Really! Really??? I am going to assume that you didn't mean that as a valid argument.

Also, I live in northern europe. And higher education is not free here, neither is electricity, neither do I get a cut of the oil profits directly transferred to my account.

My bad, I meant Scandinavia not the UK.

Troll!


Right. For the record, I can appreciate a good argument, but when they turn to cheap tricks, I'm trigger happy.

if you want an argument....OK lets have a good argument. But lets have one that is not demeaning to women, cancer patients, and victims of terror. You jump on victims too easily and i don't think you realize the effect it has on people.

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11 Jun 2013 22:52 #109070 by
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awww man I'm terrible with quotes...

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11 Jun 2013 22:55 #109071 by
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You proved that he was opposed to torture because he said he was opposed to torture? Really? Really! Really??? I am going to assume that you didn't mean that as a valid argument.

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11 Jun 2013 23:38 - 12 Jun 2013 00:16 #109072 by ren
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He said he was opposed to torture, he then reduced the power of the institutions that have carried out torture. Certainly sounds a lot better to me than what others have done.

Besides, the (in)validity of my argument does not (in)validate yours. If you say he has ordered or himself committed torture, prove it.

I just don't see Libya's track record as being worse than that of the CIA or other similar agencies. Good and bad being relative concepts, you can't use double standards when applying the terms to anyone or anything.
The fact is, I cannot think of anyone who gave as much to their people as he did. If you can, please feel free to share.

To put things in perspective: before Gaddafi's death, Libya's Human development index was similar to that of the US in the 80s. Libya was in the top 30 countries for HDI, better than some european countries.

Where are all the bad guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8Sa7b3DZY

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/human-rights-libya_b_2001880.html

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12 Jun 2013 01:42 #109080 by
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You throw around "before gaddafi's death" as if he died peacefully in his sleep. His countrymen revolted in the face of torture, overthrew the regime and then brutally murdered him in the street. Does not sound like his people thought he was the greatest. Even sadam Hussein got a trial

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