Reiki, the devils work????

Hey Mindas,

do you know exactly what Reiki claims to "do"?

Because, as a second level practitioner of Reiki, I've never read ONE place where Reiki "explains" what the end result should be. So, there's nothing to be fraud. It's not like Western Medicine that says: 'You should feel these results and here are the side effects..."

It never explains if the system works or doesn't. It just does for some and doesn't for others. A main factor is an understanding of energy work. If you buy into the concept, it works. It cannot be called "placebo" because the body DOES literally make changes (or else it wouldn't heal). Something happens whether it is from the practitioner or the patient's side.

To everyone who has posted here,

There is a certain amount of "Faith" or "Hope" that must be present in the patient who is undergoing treatment of any kind. It has been proven that even a placebo has cured patients who thought they were given a particular drug to end their suffering. The mind is an awesome machine with the power to elicit wondrous events.

A closed mind is the folly of an egocentric being.

We must all be willing to try and test until it is proven to us that there is or is no validity to a remedy. All bodies are the same in content, but different is chemical levels and makeup. A pathway of nerves for you and I may be slightly different and therefore create a differing effect of exterior treatments.

What makes you believe in the Force but not in Reiki, Catholicism, Buddhism or Islam? Why would you follow the teachings of Jesus but not Buddha? (visa versa also)

Open your mind in this thread and ask questions of the Reiki practitioners on the theory of Reiki treatments. Try a Reiki treatment for yourself before you pass a fools judgement on others. It is only after you have tested the treatments on your body and mind that you can make a informed and honest decision.

Reiki is no more the devils work than a tornado. It is another way in which humans have found to strengthen their physical and mental beings against the sufferings of life.

As phortis said the human mind is a wonderful, and powerful thing...belief and faith are powerful tools...and every person is unique in how they use those things....take hypnosis or subliminal messages for example...they are very effective on many people(or advertising firms would fade out since they wield the power of persuasion very effectively) yet to many others hypnosis and subliminal messages are complete rubbish and do not work...the more open you are to an experience the more powerful its effect on you will be, conversely the more closed minded you are to an experience the weaker its effect will be

Time is the test of all things...nothing lasts thousands of years if there isn't some sort of truth to it

Connor
Trust me i have had the battles over Reiki with Mindas in the past. He just will not be a fan of it!!!

Oy. I know.

do you know exactly what Reiki claims to "do"?

I only know what reiki "masters" and "healers" claim to do with it. I'm not questioning the existence or non-existence of "reiki"; that would be as futile as debating 'gods'. However, if a person says they can perform X, particularly at cost, I should not be eyed askance for wanting a little bit of proof.

There is a certain amount of "Faith" or "Hope" that must be present in the patient who is undergoing treatment of any kind.

Neither faith nor hope is required for antibiotics to work.

A closed mind is the folly of an egocentric being.

Asking for evidence is not indicative of a closed mind, but a seeking mind. Though perhaps this line wasn't meant for me.

Trust me i have had the battles over Reiki with Mindas in the past. He just will not be a fan of it!!!

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." (hahaha)

Seriously though, I question all things. It's healthy, and we all know it. If a system of belief cannot survive casual questioning, then it should be discarded for delusion.

To answer the original question: no, Reiki is not the devils work and if someone thinks so, let them. As we can clearly see by our own forum, very few people actually want to change their minds or be much open to much of anything.

As far as Reiki being fake. I ask: have you ever experienced it? Have you ever seen someone give up on life and "For reasons we cannot explain... We are losing her."? Our minds play a huge part in our health and quality of life. It is by no coincedince that so many great people, past and present, have told us things like, "With your thoughts you create the world." and "We are what we think about all day long."

Reiki is not at all what any of you who don't actually know what it is, think it is.

As far as Reiki being fake. I ask: have you ever experienced it?

Firstly, I never said it was "fake". I said, "in the absence of any real scientific evidence proving it's effectiveness, I would call it fraud". Several posts later, we are no closer to seeing any scientific studies, reports, or supporting evidence. What, then, can be objectively concluded? Still, I'm not saying it's fake, I'm only saying that I'm looking for more information on it. I find it curious that asking for evidence is seen as synonymous with saying it does not exist.

For the second part, I HAVE had reiki sessions performed. It had no effect. It was attributed to my energy being "wrong". Though, in retrospect, my lack of faith could have also been an underlying factor if the experience is psychosomatic.

Either way, please understand: I'm not here to ruffle feathers. I've plenty of enemies and I'm not looking for more. Don't mistake my questioning for disbelief or veiled insults or scorn.

Peace be with you all.

MindasArran wrote:

As far as Reiki being fake. I ask: have you ever experienced it?

Firstly, I never said it was "fake". I said, "in the absence of any real scientific evidence proving it's effectiveness, I would call it fraud". Several posts later, we are no closer to seeing any scientific studies, reports, or supporting evidence. What, then, can be objectively concluded? Still, I'm not saying it's fake, I'm only saying that I'm looking for more information on it. I find it curious that asking for evidence is seen as synonymous with saying it does not exist.

For the second part, I HAVE had reiki sessions performed. It had no effect. It was attributed to my energy being "wrong". Though, in retrospect, my lack of faith could have also been an underlying factor if the experience is psychosomatic.

Either way, please understand: I'm not here to ruffle feathers. I've plenty of enemies and I'm not looking for more. Don't mistake my questioning for disbelief or veiled insults or scorn.

Peace be with you all.

Of all who practice Reiki I am beganning to think that if anyone has the chance to perform reiki treatment on Mindas it is me. Mindas sat through a reiki workshop I did at the gathering and to be honest i was honored to have him in that class.

Reiki seems to be effective with those it is effective with.

Then you have those that are not responsive at all to it.

And in VERY RARE occasions (as in, I've only heard of it happening only once) it can make someone's situation worse, in the moment it is being performed (in that particular instance, however, a lot was learned and the individual is working to resolve the problem revealed to them during that session- last I heard).

All in all, it's dependent upon the person if Reiki works. Other methods (as shown with the individual that had an adverse reaction, as another energy worker had to step in) may work better for them than Reiki does. It's about "energy chemistry".