Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

To be fair feminism has helped men in this area. By making the workplace so hostile to men, it has made contracting more popular. I certainly would never bother with an employer ever again. Instead of having relationships with colleagues which are regulated by all sorts of laws and company policies, you have relationships with clients. Not only does it mean you deal with the top guns and have very little contact with their employees (who must put up with your antics), everything you do is money-driven: you only have to put up with their nonense if they pay you the amount you demand to do just that. You have more freedom with your working hours and therefore have a lot more control over who you spend your days with too.
On top of that contracting is more tax efficient, so the extra cash can be used to make up for the discrimination men face with state pension and healthcare.

It is only the legal domain of equality and equal rights which is real feminism, as its its purpose/intent/action.

I assume in this mirror universe you live in the purpose/intent/action of blackism is the inclusion of all colours?

My exprience has taught me (and feel free to correct me), that a major difference between women and men is that men tend to think in "2-D" in conversations and women think in "3-D". By that I mean that men seem to view conversation as way to convey a certain message or a point via the words themselves. Women think on a higher plane by using conversation to also convey the intentions, feelings, and emotions behind the words. There is of course some overlap as not everyone fits gender generalitites or sterotypes. But I speak from experience only.

For example when I ask my friend (a dude) how his day was, he will state the bare minimum information about a particular event and I know the bottom line of what happened. "I got hired at __" or "they fired me today". But unless I dig deeper, I won't know what led up to that even or how it made him feel.

My female friends will set the events of their day up like they are describing a movie script. They set the scene, the characters, the rising action, the falling action, and the emotions felt in each scene. Needless to say, their days are always way more interesting to listen to than my male friends. If I am around my male friends watching football or whatever, we don't interact much at all. I think we are secretly competing to see who can be the laziest while staring at the TV, lol.

So in the work place, I have found that I don't have be afraid of talking to women at all. I just have make sure I am clear about my intentions in offering help and that I pay close attention to what they are saying/doing. And given the long and ongoing history of sexism and domestic violence in our world, I don't blame women for having a bit of caution in the back of their mind around men. But men who claim to be "afraid" of women at work need to talk to and get to know the women in their office better and stop pretending to be "victimized" by women.

My female friends have described to me how the "prettier girls" in their offices get preferential treat by the male bosses. Like, for examle, the boss allowing the cute blonde to go home early for a cough and sniffle but denying other girls time off even when they have the flu. Sexism is alive and well.

ren wrote:

It is only the legal domain of equality and equal rights which is real feminism, as its its purpose/intent/action.

I assume in this mirror universe you live in the purpose/intent/action of blackism is the inclusion of all colours?

Nope. I googled blackism, and only 'blackism' I'm familiar with seemed to be more of a delusion or a constructed psychopathy then anything else. If you think that is the same as feminism then I'm glad your mirror world is not my mirror world! Lets break some mirrors!!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/blackism
"A political movement promoting black people."

that's the first dictionary result google gave me.

The analogy was meant to be funny as black is the absence of colour. Blackism, like feminism, follows the "NameOfPhysicalCharacteristic-ism" naming convention; while feminism promotes [strike]women[/strike] feminists , blackism promotes [strike]blacks[/strike] blackists. I therefore deduct blackism is as much about all colours as feminism is about all sexes.

We need to be careful about a great deal of over-generalisations with this topic and what "feminism" means.

Adder wrote: It is only the legal domain of equality and equal rights which is real feminism, as its its purpose/intent/action.

"Real" feminism?

There isn't feminism, there are only feminisms.

Adder what you talked about is Liberal Feminism.

But consider:
Radical Libertarian Feminists focus on issues of choice, how biological and social roles constrain women.
Radical Cultural Feminists see reproduction not as a limit of choice but as an expression of female liberation and empowerment.
Post Modern Feminists seek to deconstruct ideas of gender identities/roles, making the genders mostly androgynous.
Marxist/Socialist Feminists focus on concepts of exploitation and coercion, should women who stay at home to raise children receive a wage?
Psychoanalytic Feminists argue about how sexism is reinforced at an early age through gendered parenting.

Feminism is not one monolithic school of thought.

ren wrote: I just wonder where [patriarchy] is, so that I may benefit from it also. So, if you know, please tell me.

Did you know that up until pretty recently in some hospital maternity wards the signs above a boys bed would read "I'm a boy", but the signs above a girl's bed would read "It's a girl". How about when we use pronouns we tend to use "he"? Even our Knights Code reads "he" at the start of each line (something we recently discussed changing).

"willy" is a rather inoffensive way of saying "penis", but what's the female equivalent? Do they have such a dedicated word? Sweden recently decided to invent such a word "snippa" ("snopp" is for males).

We've been living in a male dominated society for thousands of years, we have only in the last hundred begun challenging this to some decent degree. However there are still lots of cultural hangovers which remain with us, such "structural" inequalities are the patriarchy (since they favour/focus on men).

Whyte Horse wrote:

tzb wrote: Hate to break it to some of you, but to be Jedi is to be inherently Feminist - that is, to believe in and advocate gender equality.

Dude, that's not the definition of feminist. That's the definition of gender egalitarianism.

Feminist: noun - a person who supports feminism.

Feminism: noun - the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Only caring about women's issues is sexist. But how many people think only ever about women's issues? If someone says "I'm a feminist and I support gender equality" then perhaps they are thinking about the issue in a broader scope?

If all that's being argued about is "If you support gender equality then you just can't use the word feminism because it's sexist" then that's just silly word-play and actually you're all just getting hot and bothered by something petty which betrays no substantial disagreement at all...

ren wrote: rape: Feminism constantly promotes the idea that rape is a male problem, that men are rapists, that sex between men and women is rape (of the woman).

This is painting the issue of feminism with an incredibly broad brush as some kind of monolithic school of thought. It's like that clip of Raza Aslan being interviewed by Fox News and the journalists talking about "Muslim countries" as though all Muslim countries are the same.

Did you know that up until pretty recently in some hospital maternity wards the signs above a boys bed would read "I'm a boy", but the signs above a girl's bed would read "It's a girl". How about when we use pronouns we tend to use "he"? Even our Knights Code reads "he" at the start of each line (something we recently discussed changing).

"willy" is a rather inoffensive way of saying "penis", but what's the female equivalent? Do they have such a dedicated word? Sweden recently decided to invent such a word "snippa" ("snopp" is for males).

I don't really care about what the sign above a baby says in a hospital maternity ward. Not only did i not notice one for my son (i'm pretty sure there wasn't one I don't know if he'd gotten one had he been a girl), but if the best example of "privilege" of one sex over the other is that the sign says "I'm a boy" -- an indication that he has to make his existence known himself-- or "It's a girl" --and inidication that if he'd been a girl, he would not have to make his existence known because someone else would exclaim that for him-- then it is an example of female privilege.

What about "he"? Yeah, that the pronoun for everything. I don't care that its the pronoun for everything, the base-model with not one single option. But if you're a girl can you be a he? Can the pronoun ever reffer to you? Oh no it can't. Men are so gross you see. Not only can they not have their own males-only pronoun, but if a woman complains, she must be separately additionally mentioned through a "she". Once again a good example of how men are in the same boat as everyone and women enjoy special treatment.

"willy" is a rather inoffensive way of saying "penis", but what's the female equivalent? Do they have such a dedicated word?

Willy is slang. Pussy is slang also. Guess which one is named after a privileged pet/deity. Just yesterday night they were laughing off past instances of female flashing on aTV show. Yet the courts only seem interested in the male pervs who have found themselves on TV. Sounds to me like the pussy is definitely privileged in this case again.

This is painting the issue of feminism with an incredibly broad brush as some kind of monolithic school of thought. It's like that clip of Raza Aslan being interviewed by Fox News and the journalists talking about "Muslim countries" as though all Muslim countries are the same.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What I said is true. Whether all feminists do it or just some feminists do it, it changes nothing to the fact that feminism does it. It is a movement that has made possible for such ugly ideas to be published, distributed, and protected under the guise of equality.

Oh sure someone's got a grand idea that some injustice has been committed and that will somewhat be made right through some kind of ideology formed by the works of varying (privileged) authors... And i's great at first: there are talks about reducing strain on health and social services and giving greater career opportunities to the group perceived as in need of some help following discrimination by the other group, even free food if you belong to the correct group. Am I talking about your local feminist shelter? Or about a nazi soup kitchen? You decide!

_{ERBH should definitely do sarkezian vs hitler.}

"willy" is a rather inoffensive way of saying "penis", but what's the female equivalent? Do they have such a dedicated word? Sweden recently decided to invent such a word "snippa" ("snopp" is for males).

Vajeejee

What am I? I believe and support:

Women should be paid the same as men for doing the same job.

The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be solely between the pregnant woman, her conscience and her doctor.

Whyte Horse wrote:

"willy" is a rather inoffensive way of saying "penis", but what's the female equivalent? Do they have such a dedicated word? Sweden recently decided to invent such a word "snippa" ("snopp" is for males).

Vajeejee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJDKiVde66Y

Br. John wrote: The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be solely between the pregnant woman, her conscience and her doctor.

So zero choice = zero child support?