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    • Trans (Last post by Alexandre Orion)
    • Another thing to consider here would be : are we using the right terms ? Although I'm not quite sure (and like it that way) where I stand on this, given the balance between natural and social 'rights', we could perceive hygiène in terms of the state of nature as balanced with the social contract. Personally, I do not feel that we are such brutish animals in the natural state. It could even be argued that sudsing ourelves up everyday and topping it off with a dose of Dior is possibly worse for us hygiène-wise as never bathing at all. It has however become social convention - much as not bathing at all and just covering it all up with parfum was in the 17th century royal court. Of course, at that time, the closest one could get to 'trans' was cross-dressing, which was fairly common. So, as such, we should be careful about what we consider "shallow". Shallow and profound are as mutually arising as is any duality. No philosophical high-ground can be won with that ... Much of what we're debating in this thread has to do with the social contract ; it is entirely de-ontological for it is examined only in the external, "higher", conception of what may be - not for the nature of things in and of themselves. We are really talking about how we fit into society. And society has a lot of conditions to it that are not so well conform to 'rights'. So, what would that look like were that not the case ? It goes a bit beyond shaving and showering, really. We do that for hygiène, yes, certainly. But that is not the only reason why we do it. We do it to be more easily accepted by others. As a pseudo-civilisation, we have replaced, to a large extent, our natural pheromones with the Dior (metonymy to be sure). Our natural odours are not completely forgotten, but we tend to dress them as we do our bodies. And the repugnance we (maybe) feel at the natural scent is similar to that we (maybe) feel about nudity. In and of itself, it is not revolting - that is socially conditioned behaviour. With regard to being trans-gendered. I'm not qualified to say one way or the other how valid studies in that area are. The SRS surgery seems like a treatment for a symptom and not addressing the underlying disorder(s). What genetic studies and commissioned by whom (that second part is important to keep us from plunging into the "expert account" fallacy) have been done to show that this is a serious medical condition and not simply a variation of one or more other pathologies ? Agreed, there may be many trans-gendered persons living and must have been all through human evolution. Yet, would this be a true disorder, or is there an evolutionary niche being filled there ? Needless to say, 100 000 years ago, no one was having an SRS. Did they cut of their genitalia ? They weren't showering daily and dousing themselves with J-P Gaultier (just to change from Dior) either. Social contracts are high pressure, but they are quite negotiable too.
    • Jedi Sentinel Findings (Last post by Daniel L.)
    • Quote: there were even 3 subway cops there poking him with their shoes telling him to get up and go somewhere else...this infuriated me enough that I called them idiots loud enough for it to echo I even pointed out that he wasn't sleeping... Wow you actually called them out like that? :blink: If you ever needed a reason to be a Jedi well there you have it. A long time ago i was riding the bus. Some lady got on right after me but she didn't have enough money for her fare. I remember she just stood there shaking her coin purse, aggressively repeating "I got it muther F*%ker" over and over. Finally an elderly man with glasses made the mistake of telling her to stop wasting every ones time and get of the bus. This lady just flipped and started punching him. No one did anything no one got up. I'll admit that even I ignored what was happening and it was no more than 12 feet from my face. She must have hit him 3 times knocking his glasses off. As he bent down from his seat to pick them up she started to kick him in the face. Thats when Me and one other man stood up and grabbed her arms dragging her off the bus. After we got her off the bus she swung at the other guy hitting him in the back of the head. He turned around tackled her to the ground and put her in a choke hold until she gave up. Then we both got on the bus and left. Bus driver said he called the police after we took her of the bus. It might sound cowardly but I'm glad she hit him and not me. That lady was at least 2 feet taller than me and double my weight. :pinch: No way I could have taken her down. I didn't do much and I didn't react as fast as I should have but at least I did something. The old man had a busted lip but he was thankful that she didn't break his glasses. Something no one else knows is that while the lady and I were waiting for the bus she had gone to the Circle K(convenience store) behind us and bought a big ol' soda. It would have more than covered her fare. =/
    • Balance? (Last post by Daniel L.)
    • "As above, so below: as below, so above." "Nothing rests: everything has poles, everything moves, everything vibrates." "Everything is Dual: everything has poles: everything has its pair opposites." -The Kybalion Just a few lines from the Kybalion. Balance doesn't always have to be exact. Some times a little good can undo a lot of bad. A lot of water can drown you but with out it you'll die. A boat can float in water but it can also sink in it too.
    • Losing or have we already lost it? (Last post by Vusuki)
    • Food for thought, enjoy, I personally found it pretty interesting. imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_pace_of_modern_life.png How much have we lost in intelligent thinking? How much have we lost in communicating with one another? Hmmm... I worry, :/
    • Curious about your jedi-ness (Last post by Brenna)
    • I'm aware that this topic has probably been covered somewhere before, but I’m on exercise 7 of the IP which involves exploring the temples doctrine and various codes associated with the Jedi. I've been struggling with it, and I realise that I'm bringing a lot of personal and cultural bias into it and its not serving me well, so I wanted to expand my own understanding a little. While I understand that the guidelines for the behavior and beliefs of the Jedi are broad and that the doctrine is an ideal to strive for rather than a “thou shalt be so”, and we cannot be all things at all times, I’m curious as to which of the 16 teachings and 21 maxims people find most valuable in their day to day lives, and which are the hardest to work on for you? Which are the ones that make you feel most like you are Jedi?
    • Reaction to this (Last post by MikeBudo)
    • Greetings Each I took is from a seminar I attended recently. As it happens most of the people there all jumped on the obvious error of 4x4 =15. We are quick to notice errors and quicker to point them out especially n this case as even with my limited intellect I should have got 100% . The point of the exercise for a Jedi perspective is that first we should congratulate on getting 5 out of 6 right and perhaps ask the question how did you arrive at 4x4 being 15. It may have been a simple error which can be corrected immediately. One the other hand the person may simply just not know. This can apply to anything. We make mistakes all the time it is just part of being human. Knowledge tells us of the error. Wisdom allows us to correct it without teasing or causing embarrassment. Focus lets us keep that person on the right path. Yours n Budo Mike
    • The mentality of "fighting" for peace (Last post by RyuJin)
    • As the old paradox goes: to have peace, you MUST be prepared for war. As to assassination...if killing one will save more lives than sparing that one....well someone has to do it... No morally/ethically good person deserves to die...the problem lies in ones definition of what is moral/ethical... Soldiers know that they may die in combat, they agree to take on that risk when they take their oath...anyone joining the military has to be prepared to accept that fact, otherwise they shouldn't join....they must also understand that they may have to take life...to lessen the burden of morality there are very strict rules of engagement that are supposed to be followed, sadly these rules frequently get bent/broken...some simply cannot handle the psychological ramifications of taking life and their sense of morality begins twisting down a dark path...
    • Jedi Council? (Last post by Alexandre Orion)
    • When I had been here for a two or three months, I was wondering about inter-community behaviour. It seemed that there were a lot of people from here doing things in other groups (pardon me please, for I still find something distasteful about calling them "sites") ; people from other groups here and several from here talking about other Jedi communities in which they were taking part. I also had looked over a few of the others, without any particular inspired interest. Then again, it took me a while to join our Temple as well. Anyway -- I wondered if it were not perhaps commonplace to roam around the Jedi groups. Perhaps this was how intra-faith cooperation worked .... I wouldn't know, I'm not an internaute to that degree. So, I asked Br. John. He just told me that it wasn't particularly encouraged, but not taboo either. But that answered my question. Since that day, I haven't gone anywhere else. We have a Temple and it is home. When others come here to visit, I'm friendly, yet get a little steamed when one tries to impose on us something from elsewhere - proposing is fine, insisting is not. Our Temple is well organised ; we have guidelines, yet quite a lot of liberty also ...
    • Hero's Journey comically explained (Last post by Hadi Apollos)
    • For those who find the explanation of the Hero's Journey to be boring, let Mario and Fafa from Glove and Boots, along with Fafa's totally-legit-and-not-involved-with-the-Mafia-at-all cousin Johnny T, take a shot at it :P
    • Oh Ewan McGregor... (Last post by Hadi Apollos)
    • I'm not even gay and my undies hit the floor :P And no, that's not a look-alike. That's him goofing around on set. Looks like it was the scene where they were following Duku (the carrier, Padme in her white clothing off to the side..........I really need a life, lol).
    • Our Myths (Last post by Hoxxie)
    • Not a myth per se but I have been reading through some of Aesop's Fables and this one appeals to me: "Mercury and the Woodman A Woodman was felling a tree on the bank of a river, when his axe, glancing off the trunk, flew out of his hands and fell into the water. As he stood by the water's edge lamenting his loss, Mercury appeared and asked him the reason for his grief. On learning what had happened, out of pity for his distress, Mercury dived into the river and, bringing up a golden axe, asked him if that was the one he had lost. The Woodman replied that it was not, and Mercury then dived a second time, and, bringing up a silver axe, asked if that was his. "No, that is not mine either," said the Woodman. Once more Mercury dived into the river, and brought up the missing axe. The Woodman was overjoyed at recovering his property, and thanked his benefactor warmly; and the latter was so pleased with his honesty that he made him a present of the other two axes. When the Woodman told the story to his companions, one of these was filled with envy of his good fortune and determined to try his luck for himself. So he went and began to fell a tree at the edge of the river, and presently contrived to let his axe drop into the water. Mercury appeared as before, and, on learning that his axe had fallen in, he dived and brought up a golden axe, as he had done on the previous occasion. Without waiting to be asked whether it was his or not, the fellow cried, "That's mine, that's mine," and stretched out his hand eagerly for the prize: but Mercury was so disgusted at his dishonesty that he not only declined to give him the golden axe, but also refused to recover for him the one he had let fall into the stream." I think this can apply to Jediism in a few ways. The first of these is that honesty is important, which follows the Jedi teaching to avoid lies. I also think it (to an extent) relates to being wary of attachments - in this case material possessions - and obsessing over money/expensive items leads to greed and upset, and these greedy actions also remind us to act not for personal profit. Well that's what I think anyway :)
    • The two extremes of life (Last post by Rickie The Grey)
    • Quote: i think the way to middle is through wisdom, and the way to wisdom is by high intelligence. so if you follow the virtue of intelligence, it will inevitably lead to wisdom. Yes it is but not by intelligence alone. I think we need to accept that there are many ways to learn. Wisdom is elusive and a by product of learning not a dileberate goal. It happens when it happens. Can't push a string. Ying Yang? It's just a drawing.
    • The wisdom of children (Last post by Raikoutenshi)
    • I actually just wrote a paper on the topic of the perspectives of children for my English class. I posted it in my journal if anyone is interested. It shares most of my thoughts on this topic. Great video Brenna :)

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