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Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work
Star Forge wrote:
Jamie Stick wrote:
Star Forge wrote:
Jamie Stick wrote:
SeventhSL wrote:
Br. John wrote: The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be solely between the pregnant woman, her conscience and her doctor.
So zero choice = zero child support?
Non sequitur. You can't equate the inverse because it's a false equivalency.
[strike]Dude[/strike] I've only read two threads where you're involved at all, and like 75 of your posts that I've read start with "non sequitur."
Hmm... Maybe that should indicate to you there's a flaw in the popular reasoning...
P.S. Hyperbole doesn't suit you.
Well I am glad as hell you descended from the sky on a yellow nimbus cloud, sent by Tengri himself, to assume your role as the sole and inerrant judge and indicator of flaws in the popular reasoning, O great samurai of objectivity. May we all follow your example and chant the mantra of "non sequitur, non sequitur, non sequitur" until every Rosary and prayer bead in existence will not suffice to account for every utterance of those sacred words.
You don't have to like it. If logic threatens your opinion maybe you should change your opinion?
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Jamie Stick wrote:
Star Forge wrote:
Jamie Stick wrote:
Star Forge wrote:
Jamie Stick wrote:
SeventhSL wrote:
Br. John wrote: The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be solely between the pregnant woman, her conscience and her doctor.
So zero choice = zero child support?
Non sequitur. You can't equate the inverse because it's a false equivalency.
[strike]Dude[/strike] I've only read two threads where you're involved at all, and like 75 of your posts that I've read start with "non sequitur."
Hmm... Maybe that should indicate to you there's a flaw in the popular reasoning...
P.S. Hyperbole doesn't suit you.
Well I am glad as hell you descended from the sky on a yellow nimbus cloud, sent by Tengri himself, to assume your role as the sole and inerrant judge and indicator of flaws in the popular reasoning, O great samurai of objectivity. May we all follow your example and chant the mantra of "non sequitur, non sequitur, non sequitur" until every Rosary and prayer bead in existence will not suffice to account for every utterance of those sacred words.
You don't have to like it. If logic threatens your opinion maybe you should change your opinion?
I'm not even part of this argument, bro. Trust me, "threatened" is the last word I would use to describe my reaction to your repetitive style of forum usage, but I am rather unsettled by your obviously solipsistic way of thinking.
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Jamie Stick wrote: The fact that I use logic to tear apart people's shoddy reasoning and emotional appeals is solipsistic?
Spare me. I read that entire gun thread. I'm acquainted with your way of doing things.
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What is defined as "helping" women?
Usually no more than "helping" men. I think the quotation marks are unnecessary because any typical helping isn't motivated by more than trying to be nice. Otherwise, why would anybody "help" the poor or homeless? Again, not enough information to go on.
How many actual cases of men being seriously punished for such incidents as holding open a door or trying to help a woman on a project exist?
That really depends on the sensitivities of the woman. But, then, I've also experienced men feeling threatened by being helped, too. Mainly because they feel they can do it on their own and feel like the person helping doesn't think they can do it on their own, which is just a projection of that person's insecurities onto someone just trying to help. Then again, I think it all comes down to the attitude of the helper and the helpee.
Why is it that men are threatened by the idea of being punished for wrongdoing as opposed to being threatened by the idea that other men might be harassing and/or assaulting women in the workplace?
I doubt this is a case of feeling threatened by the idea of being punished for wrongdoing, but being punished for even so little as a passing glance to see who's there and what they're doing. I do this all the time. It's called scanning. But, then, I'm also a supervisor, so it's a requirement, in a way. Growing up, I was taught to hold doors open for people, greet them with a "How do you do?" and be on my way. Just a polite gesture that means very little by way of what I may or may not think of that person.
Men want to be perceived as moral upstanding citizens by their actions...
I don't really see why that is a problem. Is that also not the Jedi thing to do? Do we not also want to be seen as upstanding Jedi? By our actions and the words we speak to people? I'm not going to be unexpressive toward people, as if they're just like a vegetable or a piece of furniture. That would be unhuman and un-Jedi, to me.
We're talking about undoing centuries of systematic dehumanization: women, for the better part of human existence, have been considered property not people in Western civilization.
Not arguing against that, but how many women out there, out of all the women in the Western world, think like this on a daily basis? Again, not a lot of information to say.
You see, there are lots of people out there who experience oppression on one or two axis (queer and suffering from mental illness, queer and living with a physical disability) who get caught up in a particularly violent and self-castrating ideology which paints itself as the only true form of progress. They use their oppressed status as a way to shield themselves from actual, useful criticism and refuse to acknowledge that any strategy other than their own could be more beneficial to helping themselves and others like them. Instead, this ideology creates such hostility, escalating every confrontation into a zero-sum game that many people who would otherwise help are completely turned off by what they've seen.
Agreed. Couldn't agree with you more on this observation. In fact, that was more eloquently put than I would've been able, at this point. Thank you.
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Star Forge wrote:
Jamie Stick wrote: The fact that I use logic to tear apart people's shoddy reasoning and emotional appeals is solipsistic?
Spare me. I read that entire gun thread. I'm acquainted with your way of doing things.
Look, if it makes things easier for you you can continue to play the indignant victim I'm good with that, but at the end of the day I don't have to resort to insults and that says to me that your argument has no substance.
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Edit: I know I could have listed many historical events that bear the name of Christianity, but I wanted to keep it contemporary.
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Jamie Stick wrote:
Star Forge wrote:
Jamie Stick wrote: The fact that I use logic to tear apart people's shoddy reasoning and emotional appeals is solipsistic?
Spare me. I read that entire gun thread. I'm acquainted with your way of doing things.
Look, if it makes things easier for you you can continue to play the indignant victim I'm good with that, but at the end of the day I don't have to resort to insults and that says to me that your argument has no substance.
What argument? I'm not even in on this discussion (nor really the last one, for that matter). I'm just saying
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It won't let me have a blank signature ...
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Jamie Stick wrote:
ren wrote: Choosing to be a father and choosing to be a mother are false equivalences?
I don't know about parental roles
Then you should not have compared them to something they can't be compared to.
Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
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