Is TOTJO inclusive or Exclusive is this a plus or a minus

i hope its understood im seriously not trying to be a smartss - as soon as one fight ended it went straight into the beginings of another

i see myself saying things to people and later think "it was very NOT who i want to be that i reacted that way"

i just want to be clear my intent is not finger pointing at anybody only examination in a healthy way and i know im in the same boat even if mine didnt rock on this specific occassion

OB1Shinobi wrote: i hope its understood im seriously not trying to be a smartss - as soon as one fight ended it went straight into the beginings of another

i see myself saying things to people and later think "it was very NOT who i want to be that i reacted that way"

i just want to be clear my intent is not finger pointing at anybody only examination in a healthy way and i know im in the same boat even if mine didnt rock on this specific occassion

I believe we all understood your intention, which is why i thanked you, but we have exhausted the topic. Perhaps you could start another thread about examining our reactions? I think it would be an interesting discussion.

Venator Mortis wrote: Page 4, Ren stating "Cops shoot at will" which is far from true...
http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-discussions/109135-the-interview-gets-pulled?start=30

I moved to a country where cops are rarely armed, and I quite like that... Except some of them still are armed, and in fact, just as I moved to that country, they shot a brazilian guy in the street because he sorta looked like he might have been a muslim terrorist (he looked foreign and slightly tanned). Search "cops shoot" and "terrorists shoot" on google, compare the results and perhaps you will gain some perspective.

There are good stories too buddy...

If you arent breaking the law you have nothing to worry about. Simple:)

Venator Mortis wrote: If you arent breaking the law you have nothing to worry about. Simple:)

that's not always the case....i was walking home one night and got arrested for nothing....i wasn't breaking any laws, just walking home.....after my release the excuse they gave me was because "i fit the description of the suspect"....yet i was walking home from the completely opposite direction that the crime had occurred in... if i had committed a crime i'd have to be a complete moron to walk towards the crime scene within 20 minutes of committing it....

sadly in america it is a common occurrence for people to be wrongly arrested...and for minorities to be shot...look at the justice departments findings on ferguson....it happens...cops are not infallible...

Brenna wrote:

Venator Mortis wrote: He trains harder than most Masters on these sites. In other Jedi groups they actually support Hannigan and see TOTJO as bullies.

And how have you determined this? Are you well acquainted with the personal training habits of the masters here?

And who is "they" since we have established that there are members of TOTJO who are also members of other groups?

I can vouche for Hannigans training habits. He lived in my house for over a year. Yes, he does train more than most jedi I've met. No he is not the only one that does train dutifully.

As for the rest

Hannigan. That's enough. You know you can do better than this, you are shameing our given rank as Knights by this behavior. If you wish to hold a discussion then do so. Without the personal insults and mockery.

RyuJin wrote:

Venator Mortis wrote: If you arent breaking the law you have nothing to worry about. Simple:)

that's not always the case....i was walking home one night and got arrested for nothing....i wasn't breaking any laws, just walking home.....after my release the excuse they gave me was because "i fit the description of the suspect"....yet i was walking home from the completely opposite direction that the crime had occurred in... if i had committed a crime i'd have to be a complete moron to walk towards the crime scene within 20 minutes of committing it....

sadly in america it is a common occurrence for people to be wrongly arrested...and for minorities to be shot...look at the justice departments findings on ferguson....it happens...cops are not infallible...

I Can see your point my friend but it's the 10% rule. I was a victim of police brutality myself but I realize most cops are good in my experience.

Venator Mortis wrote: If you arent breaking the law you have nothing to worry about. Simple:)

New thread on this topic here .

i don't even think 10% are bad i think it's less...but it only takes 1 bad apple to ruin the bunch..as the expression goes...

i've had friends in the clearwater police dept...and had terrible experiences with the tarpon springs police dept...and had mixed experiences with the local sheriff's deputies, and state troopers...many of them have admitted to me that their mood sometimes influences how they treat someone...