"God Hates Gays"

pb9528 wrote: After checking out the link I have to say one can have believes and strong ones at that. but when you go around telling everyone who is in anyway diferent from you, that they are going to burn in hell thats going a little far. also they have no regard for feelings of there fellow man, becaue it says in the bible to love thy neighbor not go around and tell them there going to burn in hell for all eternity.

Agreed. Now, from what I have learned about these people, is that their religion revolves around the manipulation of ideas surrounding nit-picked scriptures in the bible. To these people "neighbor" does not define just anybody, but your "neighbor in christ" which means "your fellow believer" only. Their belief closes them into a club in which anybody who refuses to join is an abomination and an enemy. Their definition of tolerance is very different from ours. To them, tolerance is the opposite of love and that "love" assumes rigorous intervention to save somebody from eternal torment in hell.

I offer no argument nor counter to that passage in Leviticus. To do so would be to imply that tennents of christianity are incorrect. It is not my right, nor my place to hold that any belief is superior to another.

Against the misguided, and hateful activism demonstrated by the Westboro Baptist Church I will say that activism more often than not becomes a far grater evil than the one it is set against.

http://GodHatesFags.com is real and it's the Westboro Baptist Church.

http://landoverbaptist.net and .com and .org is a fake parody church that many believe is real. It's by the same person that made http://BettyBowers.com (America's Best Christian). This satire church is Betty Bowers' church.

Betty Bowers is a character played by Devon Green http://www.facebook.com/DevenGreen .

http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&feature=player_embedded

I offer no argument nor counter to that passage in Leviticus. To do so would be to imply that tennents of christianity are incorrect. It is not my right, nor my place to hold that any belief is superior to another.

Against the misguided, and hateful activism demonstrated by the Westboro Baptist Church I will say that activism more often than not becomes a far grater evil than the one it is set against.

haha! They even disagree that they are a parody... :blink:

Perhaps you've heard that we are a joke, false religion or parody, and you came to our site for a few cheap laughs or "lulz", only to find people taking everything seriously. So now you have decided to be the first to "spill the beans" and let everyone in on your "knowledge". Friend, this has been done so many times that it isn't funny any more.

When an Atheist loses a debate to a fundamentalist Christian, it is a common tactic to accuse the Christian of being a parody. The Atheist is so full of pride, that he cannot imagine being outsmarted by a dumb God-Believer, so he thinks the Christian must be an Atheist like himself who is only pretending to be Christian. This is known as Tabor's Law.

Our situation is not helped by the fact that there is some atheist satirist who does an impression of our Pastor Deacon Fred at atheist conventions. People hear about him and start rumors that they are the same person and that the real Landover Baptist Church is also just a joke. Some Atheists go so far as to vandalize our church's Wikipedia page to say that we are a false religion.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=5610#tabors_law

Edit: Though LBC is satire, its ability to be believed as a real community can really show how similar real Christian fundamentalists can come off to be. What concerns me is its potential to unintentionally support and inspire people who may really think and act upon the ideas LBC expresses.

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus. The third book of the old testament, supposedly written by Moses after the exodus from Egypt. Which was what many believe to be the single greatest act of divine intervention. I know many mainstream Christians won't agree with me, but what was sin in the old testament, was paid for by the death of Christ, considered to be the ultimate sacrifice. Why all of a sudden, in the new testament, is the direct descendant from god now saying turn the other cheek, love your enemies, and the meek shall rule the earth. I think people were ready to accept a different gospel in a different age. But if someone is quoting Leviticus, quote some the other skewed up sayings from the old testament and see how they react. Then say, but Jesus was a clear mark in the separation of the old ways vs the new. Ask, would Jesus hate gay people, or is that his father?

I'll re-state what I said when this subject came up before. Despite having a conservative view on homosexuality, I am not for a second going to pretend that there is a case to be made for a particularly strong biblical prohibition against it.

This pisses me off for two reasons. One, as a Christian, I believe it is theologically unsound to pick and choose parts of the old laws that you want to keep. Jesus abolished all of them. Even if it's do advance a cause that I believe in, I am not going to interpret scripture for my own benefit.

Second, every real, logical case against homosexuality is obscured by arguments supposedly based in religion. When I find myself caught in the homosexuality discussion (which is something I try to avoid for obvious reasons), it is always assumed that I have a religious reason for my opinion, and all my arguments for it are religious in nature.

Bottom line, no matter what their views on homosexuality are, they should stop twisting Christianity to suit their agenda.

Well said Star Forge. Your stance on this parallels my own.

Humbly,

Jax

I agree Star Forge, but it has to be said, that most of the on-going attitude towards LGBT community is based mostly on the OT. But you're definitely right, the OT laws were abolished by Jesus, and, therefore, homosexuality shouldn't be viewed badly by the Christian world. However, st. Paul mentions that homosexuality is a sin, which is even now taken as a granted law. I don't want to misinterpret anything, but I'm certain that Jesus didn't say: 'Love everyone, except him, and him, and her...', but accepts all people as they are: people, which is pretty much summed up in the Two Commandments of Love.

Ok lets get down to facts about what the bible says that "God hates."

First off, "hate" occurs 87 times in 85 verses in the KJV.
Of those 85 verses these following verses are the only ones where it says God hates something.

Pro 6:16 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Isa 61:8 For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

Jer 44:4 Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending [them], saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate.

Amo 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Amo 6:8 The Lord GOD hath sworn by himself, saith the LORD the God of hosts, I abhor the excellency of Jacob, and hate his palaces: therefore will I deliver up the city with all that is therein.

Zec 8:17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these [are things] that I hate, saith the LORD.

Psa 101:3 I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; [it] shall not cleave to me.

These are the only verses where it says that "god" hates something or someone. No where does it say "god hates fags." Those who proclaim this are simply LIARS. And guess what, that is one of six things in proverbs that GOD does say he hates, "a lying tongue."

So basically whenever you see one of these "fag haters" holding up a sign that says, "god hates fags," you can know for sure that, that is one of the people that the bible says "god does hate."