This vs That.

suliskveteba wrote: which forms of christianity came from picking and choosing?

All of them.

scott777ab wrote:

suliskveteba wrote: which forms of christianity came from picking and choosing?

All of them.

I can agree that most of them do, but not all of them.

I have studied this very intensely so I know what I'm talking about

scott777ab wrote:

suliskveteba wrote: which forms of christianity came from picking and choosing?

All of them.

so considering you only know of USA religion, are you going to say this is your opinion?

because if you only have knowledge of American religion, I can honestly say that gives you no validity or authority to comment on a middle Eastern religion

suliskveteba wrote:

scott777ab wrote:

suliskveteba wrote: which forms of christianity came from picking and choosing?

All of them.

so considering you only know of USA religion, are you going to say this is your opinion?

because if you only have knowledge of American religion, I can honestly say that gives you no validity or authority to comment on a middle Eastern religion

Ever heard of the Book of Thomas?
If so or not, why was it left out?
This is picking and choosing.
Which started from the very beginnings of Christianity.
NUFF SAID.

scott777ab wrote:

suliskveteba wrote:

scott777ab wrote:

suliskveteba wrote: which forms of christianity came from picking and choosing?

All of them.

so considering you only know of USA religion, are you going to say this is your opinion?

because if you only have knowledge of American religion, I can honestly say that gives you no validity or authority to comment on a middle Eastern religion

Ever heard of the Book of Thomas?
If so or not, why was it left out?
This is picking and choosing.
Which started from the very beginnings of Christianity.
NUFF SAID.

it was left out because it is barely related to christianity except through the bible

the book of Thomas is actually gnostic, and the gnostics stood apart from the christians and didn't want to be seen as christians

and on the topic of the bible, it is not a statement of the entire structure of christianity, nor is it the source

it is a tool to expand faith, and that's what it's intention was.

Well that of course is your opinion.

The Gnostic's were not the only group during that time that had a different view. There were many groups. Christianity was actually a very fluid (ie changing a lot) belief system until the council of Nicaea.

Do a little bit of searching on the internet for Christian Gnosticism.

Then on the subject of what you said, " it was left out because it is barely related to christianity except through the bible," the question becomes according to whom? The point is, someone made a choice, someone picked and chose what to include and what not to include. That was my point. All Christian sects pick and choose what they wish to focus on. This is how you get distinct beliefs like Catholic, Mormon, Baptist, Pentecostal, and Jehovahs Witnesses. Each of these groups focuses on certain specific parts of the bible while ignoring other parts, or downplaying them.

For Example: Catholics pray to Mary. Bible says pray to God.
Mormons believe you can become a god. Bible says there is only one God.
Pentecostals believe in the speaking of other tongues. Bible says that the hearers of this understand in their own language.
Jehovahs Witnesses believe Jesus was created then created everything else.
Baptist believe that all other religions are all from and of Satan.

All this distinction comes from each of these picking and choosing certain verses and ignoring others.

scott777ab wrote: Well that of course is your opinion.

The Gnostic's were not the only group during that time that had a different view. There were many groups. Christianity was actually a very fluid (ie changing a lot) belief system until the council of Nicaea.

Do a little bit of searching on the internet for Christian Gnosticism.

Then on the subject of what you said, " it was left out because it is barely related to christianity except through the bible," the question becomes according to whom? The point is, someone made a choice, someone picked and chose what to include and what not to include. That was my point. All Christian sects pick and choose what they wish to focus on. This is how you get distinct beliefs like Catholic, Mormon, Baptist, Pentecostal, and Jehovahs Witnesses. Each of these groups focuses on certain specific parts of the bible while ignoring other parts, or downplaying them.

For Example: Catholics pray to Mary. Bible says pray to God.
Mormons believe you can become a god. Bible says there is only one God.
Pentecostals believe in the speaking of other tongues. Bible says that the hearers of this understand in their own language.
Jehovahs Witnesses believe Jesus was created then created everything else.
Baptist believe that all other religions are all from and of Satan.

All this distinction comes from each of these picking and choosing certain verses and ignoring others.

I have done research on christian gnosticism

as I said before, christianity does not hold all of their beliefs in the bible

it is just a summary of important texts, nobody says to not read Thomas

by your view you are saying that Christians tell people to only read the bible

in eastern orthodoxy, Ecumenical catholicism and anglicanism, this isn't true

The bible isn't the christian faith.

More of a short summary of beliefs

to start you off so you can read more

they didn't pick and choose solid beliefs

suliskveteba wrote: I have done research on christian gnosticism

Cool

suliskveteba wrote: as I said before, christianity does not hold all of their beliefs in the bible

Did not say they did or didn't

suliskveteba wrote: it is just a summary of important texts, nobody says to not read Thomas

That is not really what Christians believe. They view the bible as directly from GOD.

suliskveteba wrote: by your view you are saying that Christians tell people to only read the bible

That is correct.

suliskveteba wrote: in eastern orthodoxy, Ecumenical catholicism and anglicanism, this isn't true

Would not know. Don't know anything about anglicanism at all.

suliskveteba wrote: The bible isn't the christian faith.

Yeah right, tell that to what they consider a TRUE CHRISTIAN.

suliskveteba wrote: More of a short summary of beliefs

Not a summary, but direct revelation from GOD.

suliskveteba wrote: to start you off so you can read more

THey consider all other texts from Satan.

suliskveteba wrote: they didn't pick and choose solid beliefs

They do pick and choose.

scott777ab wrote:

suliskveteba wrote: I have done research on christian gnosticism

Cool

suliskveteba wrote: as I said before, christianity does not hold all of their beliefs in the bible

Did not say they did or didn't

suliskveteba wrote: it is just a summary of important texts, nobody says to not read Thomas

That is not really what Christians believe. They view the bible as directly from GOD.

suliskveteba wrote: by your view you are saying that Christians tell people to only read the bible

That is correct.

suliskveteba wrote: in eastern orthodoxy, Ecumenical catholicism and anglicanism, this isn't true

Would not know. Don't know anything about anglicanism at all.

suliskveteba wrote: The bible isn't the christian faith.

Yeah right, tell that to what they consider a TRUE CHRISTIAN.

suliskveteba wrote: More of a short summary of beliefs

Not a summary, but direct revelation from GOD.

suliskveteba wrote: to start you off so you can read more

THey consider all other texts from Satan.

suliskveteba wrote: they didn't pick and choose solid beliefs

They do pick and choose.

it seems fairly obvious now that you only know of christianity in America
because these are mostly protestant beliefs
some catholic

and actually, protestantism is a minority, they are just very loud

Orthodoxy, which is the second largest majority and partially catholic, don't believe this

so in that, the majority of christians don't view the bible as from God

it isn't a direct revelation from god, except for revelations, lol

alot of it, especially the Torah, isn't divine influence
but human interpretation of divine events

and in orthodoxy, they actually encourage you to read the other texts, they don't claim it's satanic

actually, many orthodox christians( myself included) and some catholics and anglicans encourage to read the satanic bible, buddhist scripture and islamic writings etc


again, they are a much larger demographic of christianity, and they don't pick and choose, in fact in orthodoxy the bible isn't even the most important text

it is important, but most christians wouldn't say it's more important that say, the didache, ignatius of antioch's writings or francis of assissi.

So I can understand that American protestantism and possible catholicism does this, but not eastern orthodoxy, or old and ecumenical catholicism.


so once again, it is far from "all" christians

:blink:

ok whatever............!



Going to end with this.

All scripture is inspired by God.

That is a verse from the bible which all the religions I mentioned do believe.

That word inspired means GOD BREATHED.
Literally it means FROM GOD.

So say what you want, but the bible itself says it is from GOD.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.


This verse states many things.

That scripture all of it comes from GOD
That scripture is profitable for doctrine.
That scripture is profitable for reproof.
That scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness.

If you can not see that then you don't understand the bible at all.
Go back to the beginning.

O side note... not related to this train of thought, I have two questions for you.

#1 What is the REAL NAME of the first woman in the bible, and NO IT IS NOT EVE. That is not her REAL NAME.

#2 I am not sure which is clean or unclean so this is an example only. But for this question lets say the CAT is a CLEAN animal and the DOG is UNCLEAN, and assume that there is only 1 Breed of Cat and 1 Breed of Dog for Noah to contend with.
How many Cats did Noah bring with him? NO THE ANSWER IS NOT 2.
How many Dogs did Noah bring with him? NO THE ANSWER IS NOT 2.