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11 Mar 2013 07:27 #97345 by
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What I am talking about the religions being incomparable is their dogmatic ways.

But Campbell is right, all religions are fundamentally the same. One of the major things that most teach is, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I believe in following the principles behind each. I also believe that all these principles teach us how to Love.

I really believe that Love is the true absolute right. I really believe there is no greater thing than Love and that all that is right and good flows from Love.

Don't agree. Sorry.

THIS IS MY OPINION.

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11 Mar 2013 07:29 #97346 by
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Yes V-Tog already pointed out the Campbell situation.

The comparison issue is the general dogmatic beliefs of these different religions. It is like comparing an orange to a rock.

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11 Mar 2013 07:35 #97347 by
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I will totally disagree with your definition.

Ignorance
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Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).

And according to Websters Dictionary. Ignorance: is the state or fact of being ignorant. Ignorant: 1. lacking in knowledge or training, or unlearned.

Being ignorant is not a deliberate choice.

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11 Mar 2013 08:06 #97348 by
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scott777ab wrote: I will totally disagree with your definition.

Ignorance
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Ignorance (disambiguation).
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).

And according to Websters Dictionary. Ignorance: is the state or fact of being ignorant. Ignorant: 1. lacking in knowledge or training, or unlearned.

Being ignorant is not a deliberate choice.


what I meant is ignorance is a lack of knowledge that is acted upon
it is still their choice to make a decision or comment.

they act as if they understand, that is what ignorance truly means

by your definition we can't tell the difference between the ignorant and the student

one is willing to learn

and the other pretends he does

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11 Mar 2013 08:30 #97349 by
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Again you are using the word ignorance totally wrong.

Sorry.

But beyond that.

What in the world are you talking about?

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11 Mar 2013 08:32 #97350 by Brenna
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I'm not sure if I'm reading what you're saying correctly, but saying "I can go where I please and how I please. Who do you think you are to make a RULE for me to follow?" seems hypocritical after saying that those of us who believe differently to you are ignorant and lacking.

I struggle to agree that it is ignorant not to believe in the Christian God. There are many of us who were raised to believe in God and through our experiences of what some may call God we have made a conscious decision to alter the name by which we call the divine presence in the universe.

And if you agree that Joseph Campbell is correct that all religions are essentially the same, then are you saying that he is right to say all religions are a collection of stories and teachings designed to explain the divine in ways that simple people can understand?



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11 Mar 2013 08:47 - 11 Mar 2013 08:50 #97352 by
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scott777ab wrote: Again you are using the word ignorance totally wrong.

Sorry.

But beyond that.

What in the world are you talking about?


I knew you were gonna say that, lol

a person is seen as ignorant when they develop a view or undertake an action without the enough facts

in that, it is still a deliberate choice.

and I totally agree with Brenna, you can't call people ignorant because they don't believe in God,

and you are labelling christianity a western faith?

you said:
"Most western (USA) faiths believe that they are the only one that is correct and everything is junk. How can you make a comparison under those basis of thoughts."

considering we are talking about christianity, either this is completely unrelated or you think that christianity is western.....

what???
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11 Mar 2013 08:57 #97353 by
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scott777ab wrote: What I am talking about the religions being incomparable is their dogmatic ways.

But Campbell is right, all religions are fundamentally the same. One of the major things that most teach is, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I believe in following the principles behind each. I also believe that all these principles teach us how to Love.

I really believe that Love is the true absolute right. I really believe there is no greater thing than Love and that all that is right and good flows from Love.

Don't agree. Sorry.

THIS IS MY OPINION.


I do agree with this to a point, but love has no meaning without compassion or courage, both make love as passionate as I could ever feel it

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12 Mar 2013 07:38 #97499 by
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Brenna wrote: I'm not sure if I'm reading what you're saying correctly, but saying "I can go where I please and how I please. Who do you think you are to make a RULE for me to follow?" seems hypocritical after saying that those of us who believe differently to you are ignorant and lacking.


Again let me state: there is nothing wrong with being ignorant. NOTHING.
Now let me try to explain if I can the second part. Saying one is ignorant is not the same as me saying YOU ARE WRONG AND MUST BELIEVE THIS WAY OR GO TO HELL.
Everyone has their own path to follow. Most here call "it" the force, I call "it" God. Yes I am saying the force is god. Those who have felt the force know they have, and then they read from others who have not yet reached that feeling, and those who have felt the force know that the others have not. The ones who have not, lack something in their speech. Those who have had that touch are changed. They begin to think differently and most people just have no idea what in the world they are speaking of. Going to use a bible verse here. "It is spiritually discerned." Yes I believe, The Force, God, and Spirit are all the same. What I am not doing or saying is this. You must believe this, this is the truth. No. I will not say that. But those who know that touch from God, The Force, or Spirit have this special connection with everything. They understand that there is no difference, that there is no separation. Separation is only a perception that is based on past experiences that made a person believe they were separate from everyone else.
Then that touch from the force/god is also different for every individual. To one person that has had that touch they are going to say, "he has not idea at all what he is talking about, and he is way off." For that person I am. He has gained something from the force that I have not, therefor in that area I am ignorant of what he has discovered about "the all." Each person needs certain things to move that person to greater heights. Those things that one may need are not going to be the same as another. Each person must explore their own path to "the force, god, spirit." So long as a person strives to become better than they were the day before, this is all that matters.

Brenna wrote: I struggle to agree that it is ignorant not to believe in the Christian God.


When I say god, do not think I mean the christian god, because I do not.

Brenna wrote: There are many of us who were raised to believe in God and through our experiences of what some may call God we have made a conscious decision to alter the name by which we call the divine presence in the universe.


Nothing wrong with this, that is the path they have chosen, and for them it is the path they must follow.

Brenna wrote: And if you agree that Joseph Campbell is correct that all religions are essentially the same, then are you saying that he is right to say all religions are a collection of stories and teachings designed to explain the divine in ways that simple people can understand?


Yes, but I think that most of us here on this sight are not simple. We are complex, we question everything. I think there is this desire to explore all our programmed beliefs. I think many here probably do not like being told, "you can't do that. Why?(They ask)Because I said so" They were told, or "that is just the way things are." What kind of answer is that. I hate that "do as I say, not as I do," junk.

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12 Mar 2013 07:43 #97501 by
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suliskveteba wrote:

scott777ab wrote:
and you are labelling christianity a western faith?

you said:
"Most western (USA) faiths believe that they are the only one that is correct and everything is junk. How can you make a comparison under those basis of thoughts."

considering we are talking about Christianity, either this is completely unrelated or you think that Christianity is western.....

what???


No what I was trying to do was to separate religions in the USA from the rest of the world. I do not know how the rest of the world believes. I only follow and study religions in how they affect the USA, and how they act here in the USA. So it is saying those faiths in the USA act that way. I am not saying that the world wide Catholic Church does this or that, I am saying the Catholic Church in the USA does though. The same with baptist, Mormons, etc, here in the USA, they all act as though they are the only correct religion and all other religions are wrong.

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