Another reason to support the right to arms...?

Switch 'we do not have to' to 'we can't' and you get the gist of the american objection to gun control.

Wescli Wardest wrote: if memory serves, didn’t France have a “revolution” of her own some years after? I wonder if the French people that fought in that revolution had firearms or just threw rocks.

I'm going with water balloons.

ren wrote: You see, that's something I do not understand. Here we do not have to store them responsibly. We do not have to use them responsibly. We do not have to carry them responsibly. And we do not have to worry about whether other people do those things responsibly, or have to arm ourselves in the eventuality that they don't...

Awesome for you guys, but why do you care about our gun laws if you don't even live here???

As for not having to worry about gun crime in the UK, actually you do. People still get shot there. That and good old stabbing which seems to be popular over there (if we‘re going to point fingers).

crime graphs


BBC Article "Why Britian Needs More Guns"

I know these are a bit dated, but banning guns doesn't mean people stop committing crimes or stop acting stupid. You can be a pessimist and always jump to the worst conclusion (All guns have been used to kill) or you can think about what's more realistic (Most in the US have not).

Our world is a dangerous one and there is nothing you can do to stop that. You can keep your kids from riding bikes, take away their butter knives, and lock them in the house to keep them away from the dangers of the world…but then you see the house is a deathtrap in itself. There is no escaping it and living in fear helps no one. Please don’t push your fears onto others.

Or like the article said, “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” Then where will we all be? Getting stabbed? :blink:

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote: You see, that's something I do not understand. Here we do not have to store them responsibly. We do not have to use them responsibly. We do not have to carry them responsibly. And we do not have to worry about whether other people do those things responsibly, or have to arm ourselves in the eventuality that they don't...

Awesome for you guys, but why do you care about our gun laws if you don't even live here???

As for not having to worry about gun crime in the UK, actually you do. People still get shot there. That and good old stabbing which seems to be popular over there (if we‘re going to point fingers).

crime graphs


BBC Article "Why Britian Needs More Guns"

I know these are a bit dated, but banning guns doesn't mean people stop committing crimes or stop acting stupid. You can be a pessimist and always jump to the worst conclusion (All guns have been used to kill) or you can think about what's more realistic (Most in the US have not).

Our world is a dangerous one and there is nothing you can do to stop that. You can keep your kids from riding bikes, take away their butter knives, and lock them in the house to keep them away from the dangers of the world…but then you see the house is a deathtrap in itself. There is no escaping it and living in fear helps no one. Please don’t push your fears onto others.

Or like the article said, “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” Then where will we all be? Getting stabbed? :blink:

What it means is that our crime rates are at least 4 times lower than that of the US.... Knife crimes are the most serious crimes here. Sure, some criminals possess firearms. But kids don't get shot by their nan because in the dark they slightly look like a badger. And when I throw those "4 times lower" figures, I'm talking about intentional homicides. Not the regular "kid gets drunk gets shotgun out to show to his mates" scenario. Knives are very close range, and just not as easy to use. You can't legally "conceal and carry" a knife here. It's illegal. You get caught, you get arrested. The same goes for drink driving, since Khaos mentions it.

Thanks for the graph. I am glad to know that Ireland has a crime rate 40 times lower than Jamaica. And since you're from the US, I would like to point out your fellow citizens have been quite happy to finance terrorism in Ireland. So, thanks for that. (The IRA started in 1969. I guess, if crime went up as a result of gun ban, terrorism must have gone up as a result of people going to the moon and angering the gods or something)

ren wrote: What it means is that our crime rates are at least 4 times lower than that of the US.... Knife crimes are the most serious crimes here. Sure, some criminals possess firearms. But kids don't get shot by their nan because in the dark they slightly look like a badger. And when I throw those "4 times lower" figures, I'm talking about intentional homicides. Not the regular "kid gets drunk gets shotgun out to show to his mates" scenario. Knives are very close range, and just not as easy to use. You can't legally "conceal and carry" a knife here. It's illegal. You get caught, you get arrested. The same goes for drink driving, since Khaos mentions it.

Thanks for the graph. I am glad to know that Ireland has a crime rate 40 times lower than Jamaica. And since you're from the US, I would like to point out your fellow citizens have been quite happy to finance terrorism in Ireland. So, thanks for that. (The IRA started in 1969. I guess, if crime went up as a result of gun ban, terrorism must have gone up as a result of people going to the moon and angering the gods or something)

Hahahaha :laugh:

Yup, I'm a terrorist, you got me. :laugh:

Nobodies government or "people" are completely innocent. Even the English, England and its list of bad deeds are miles long. Not that I'd blame you or your fellow citizens (normal people) for international terrorism. But us Americans, man, we're just shitty people. :whistle:

Hail :evil: (And for those of you who can't read sarcasm. That's it)

I mean, really, ren, really? Your answers just blow me away sometimes. Me and my box of guns and money to send to the IRA. (More sarcasm)

Point remains, we can harp on each others countries but you don't seem to know what it's like to be an American living in America and I don't understand what it's like to be a Brit in England.

And if anybody is getting the idea that I dislike UK or any other country for that matter, it'd be the wrong opinion. I very much like the UK and think it's one of the prettiest places I've ever traveled.

Hmm... US citizens have been financing the IRA, which was a terrorist organization. In fact, those US citizens were the main source of income and logistics support outside ireland. (Yup. they beat the regular arms dealers and gadaffi. their first weapons stock came from the US)

The creation of the IRA also coincides with the increased crime rate in Ireland.

Simply putting gun ban = more homicides is the same as saying going to the moon = more terrorist organizations.

That's a big leap.

Why do you insist on damning other countries follies? I don't condone America's mistakes, but blaming the people isn't really accurate. People and government are different entities. Until you can keep your own government in check how can you expect to damn us without damning yourself?

It wasn't the government (as far as I know) It was citizens. Citizens, who, strangely enough, never got arrested for their crimes.

Yeah, maybe. There are bad people in every country. Including mine, but most of us (citiens around the world) are decent people.

No matter what you say, ren, I'm going to try and think optimistically.

I'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying comparing crime rates with a gun ban in ireland is absolutely meaningless...