Consistancy

I'd like to add something to the Behavior Unbecoming concerning consequences for breaking those and the rest of our guidelines. I'd like your input

Such as ?

Suggestion
First infraction, written warning
Second infraction, written warning and a dialogue with either a Knight or Clergy
Third infraction, written warning and a thread is set up with a Screenshot in the admin/mod forum. Further discussion with Knight/Clergy to be added to said thread
Fourth infraction three day suspension with a written agreement for how to address behavior
Fifth infraction is one week suspension with a plan to address behavior upon return. Dialogue with Knight/Clergy
Sixth infraction one month suspension with a plan to address behavior. Dialogue with Knight/Clergy
Any further infraction would result in 6 month ban and a required plan. Further dialogue required.

The most important thing I think is that in six months the person can start over at the beginning of the consequence ladder

Consequences is definitely something this temple lacks. Both on public forum and in Private abuse (PM Bullying). But also in timing. It tends to be allowed to drag out and drag out and drag out.....until someone finally gets fed up enough to take more drastic measures then what would have been more accommodating and LESS drastic if handled earlier on.

If I were to suggest anything It would be a point system to help mitigate proper timing that both the administration AND The membership knows.

I realize that is vauge and not a solid idea, I don't know enough about the admin end to make it solid. But from my own personal experience in the abuse this temple is capable of dishing out....That is what came to my mind. A.....three strikes your out kind of thing?

I am willing to bat around the idea mouse if folks wish to expand on this.

I think that sounds like a good idea Rosa. It's clear and concise and pretty darn straight forward too .

As a side note, in you're final post in the other thread, you mentioned pronoun usage. I appreciate this may just fall under basic respect, but is there maybe a better way of policing it? I think that sort of thing is a perfect example of Trisskar's comment about things dragging on and on forever

So "the community" isnt allowed to discuss the way that the rules are enforced?
The way you lock threads all the time is incredibly irritating but i havent said anything because they werent my topics. Ive been waiting for you to lock this because i had the feeeling it was just a matter of time. If you want to lock your own threads so that no one can reply to what you say then fine but i dont need you to decide for me what is appropriate for me to talk about. I want you to unlock my thread and id like you to stop being so damn presumptuous and controlling about other peoples conversations. Or at least just mine; if others need you to think for them then thats their business.

“I'd like to add something to the Behavior Unbecoming concerning consequences for breaking those and the rest of our guidelines. I'd like your input”

So "the community" isnt allowed to discuss the way that the rules are enforced?


This is the reason for this thread I believe.

I’m not a fan of locking threads myself. I’ve locked threads only due to the fact that it was informative and not discussion-al- if that’s even a real word. Lol
Maybe—- have a guideline posted for the reasons a thread can be locked and by who? Accountability thing n such ? A copy of what’s moderated is in council but can we do one maybe for general population to view not comemt - just see- maybe ? Accountability and transparency maybe - just suggestions - a avenue to ask to unlock the thread by OP request? any how -
I like the three strikes idea.
A point value sounds like a good start . At some points value agreed on - have some one evaluated- maybe ?

Part of the hardest thing is to catch - clear catch -individuals doing - things - deemed not healthy for the Temple. In our freedoms we have here - speech and ideas are all welcomed - which means even the negative ones. Light and dark are welcomed as well as opposing opinions. It’s when the basic rules and basic respects are lost that we find it difficult to - not controll but - allow others to enjoy and share with others what we do here. This place is not like any one I’ve ever encountered. So ... a point system maybe? Not three strikes but a agreed value ?

I do have to agree to disagree to the Thread locking (I just read the thread in question) When I brought up that the member in question wasn't here to defend herself in the thread....that was not a call to lock it. Taking a raging bear and putting it in a cage isn't going to solve the problem and it simply increases the rage. In this case....made more people angry then happy.

whats done is done. People should grow up and realize the thread in question isn't a "Bash member x opportunity" and simply a chance to learn and improve on each other. Locking it dosn't solve that

warning people to discuss future improvements on said situation instead of bashing the member themselves is a much better approach. And if said warning is not headed, points and action to specific members should be applied. Perhaps it is a temporary ban from the thread, or the sub forum its posted in.

Or another idea would be a time out sub forum. Just Jedi used to have one....whenever a thread got to hot and disruptive it would be moved to a time out sub forum where certain membership levels are allowed. (Member or Apprentice Up or similar)

Again....just idea mouse batting take it or leave it. Just my thoughts

I like all of those ideas carlos except i suspect that will just result in creating an official justification for Rosalyn (or whoever) to lock whatever they want because they dont like the conversation. Like stop-and-frisk: new york has an officially sanction rationale for doing something lousy. Making it official only creates and even more difficult barrier to redress.

So here is my official request through the official channel: please unlock the thread. It was a civil conversation and it CLEARLY matters to people or else there wouldnt be 12 pages. There was no good reason to lock it. As i said before, ive heen expecting Rosalyn specifically to come along and close the topic and im confident that she has been wanting to since it began. She found a pretext to impose her restrictive standards and jumped on it.

Id also like to ask Rosalyn to just generally stay away from me. Youre a nice and intelligent person and i respect you as an individual but your ideas about what is appropriate to talk about are just childish to me. Is TOTJO a day care center or what? We are not seven-year-olds and we dont need a nanny to protect us from ideas. I dont, anyway.

I don't often agree with Obi, but he has a valid point.. .

How ironic you start a thread on "consistency" immediately after locking a thread for little more reason than you were tired of the conversation, in all due politeness, that's a little hypocritical...

If "pronouns" are the problem, make it clear (because you and the council have not publicly done so) that certain individuals want to be addressed by certain pronouns. Problem solved...

It's not rocket science, and most certainly not deserving of having a thread locked without due warning or provocation, imo...