Masculinity as a Mental health issue

Trisskar wrote: And who dictates these so called "Masculine Roles" and "Feminine Roles" ? Politics? The same politics that can't keep there own pants on straight when something twinges someone elses sensibility?

That would be the frame of reference 'health' is presented in whether its good or bad masculinity. Not trying to define masculinity but instead refine. Whether they are dictating is another question... I didn't read that bit.
But to consider the refine angle, in this case I'd take a biopsychosocial (BPS) approach - to get ones head around what they might be trying to do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopsychosocial_model

Healthy masculinity for body; posture, diet, activities?
Healthy masculinity for mind; self image, emotionality?
Healthy masculinity for society; non-violence, fulfilling role, acceptance?

Defining what is best practise for health, and then comparing that to a cultures stereotypes, and seeing if the discordance is what is causing the actual problems guys are facing.

I think their point is, traditional masculinity flies in the face of many of those things, seemingly. Not all of it, but enough of it to represent a manifest problem which if fixable, should be approached.... no matter the delicate sensibilities of boys wanting to be like their fathers (or the exact opposite) - as its a cycle of emotional disconnect which is leaving some guys wondering why society is against them, which is false cause most likely, IMO.

I really think y'all are missing the point of what they're offering. It ain't about teaching men how to be men or how men ought not to be. It's about teaching what it means to provide unhealthy examples for our male youth, and then perpetuating unhealthy examples of behaviors for future generations, creating a culture of toxic masculinity. The term 'toxic masculinity' has more to do with these unhealthy examples of behavior that tend to dictate to young males how they should or should not be and that anything outside of that box is "un-manly," which is complete bullshit. There is no one way to be a man, nor is it limited to one person's way over another's. The class could take a mere 5 to 10 minutes long, which is more of a briefing than it is a class to teach. Seriously, nobody is saying that being a man is bad, nor unhealthy, but the title of this thing leads one to think this. It is a very misleading title, to say the least.

No offense Luthien , but it is you who is missing the point , the point i am trying to make is that there is no such thing as "Toxic masculinity" there is abuse of power. There is masculinity and femininity, they are labels that people can give themselves , but to brainwash people into thinking that there is anything wrong with either is just wrong....

Yikes, they be fighting words!? I think its rather (or should be that) the abuse of power is often portrayed as part of masculinity, and its that which is toxic masculinity, AFAIK - not that masculinity is toxic. Same deal with toxic femininity I suppose, but historically women didn't really have that much power compared to blokes so it might not be as culturally entrenched in such a prehistoric manner. But it might also depend a lot on the particular culture, with some areas suffering more then others. Personally, my particular corner of Jediism is not limited by gender stereotypes ie genderless

I must be a horrible bore but abuse of power is Not gender related , and therefore there is no such thing as Toxic Masculinity , its just the wrong classification. Now i can understand why the rest of the world sees that its mainly man who abuse power and for the naked eye it may seem that way but that does not justify classifiying abuse under masculinity , Geez am i the only one who has a problem with that ? :laugh:

HA, nope... I'm such a bore I never see anyone else as a bore, in comparison. So it has its advantages, you'll have to try harder!!!
One of my favorite hobbies is weather for example
And I play golf :silly:

This goes back into what I meant concerning who had rights to genderize concepts, ideas and things. IE: Boxing is Masculine, Knitting is Feminine ect ect

Instead we should say it like it is.

Boxing
Knitting
Toxic.

Adder wrote: Yikes, they be fighting words!? I think its rather (or should be that) the abuse of power is often portrayed as part of masculinity, and its that which is toxic masculinity, AFAIK - not that masculinity is toxic.

That's exactly what I was getting at. The term toxic anything has to do with how something is harmful. So, yes, there is such thing as toxic masculinity, as there are harmful behaviors and ideals that are taught to males from a young age as normal. Nobody is attacking masculinity or manliness. In fact, we need more masculinity in society.

Luthien wrote: That's exactly what I was getting at. The term toxic anything has to do with how something is harmful. So, yes, there is such thing as toxic masculinity, as there are harmful behaviours and ideals that are taught to males from a young age as normal. Nobody is attacking masculinity or manliness. In fact, we need more masculinity in society.

Define 'harmful ideas'. Who decides that they are harmful and why?

100 years ago most of the traits now considered to be 'toxic masculinity', were the ideal traits that all men should aspire to have. Society changes its mind about whats 'right' and 'wrong' or, in this case, 'toxic' and 'nontoxic' all the time. After all, we as Jedi know that (moral) concepts are not absolute but vary by culture, religion and over time. I don't think its in our interested to get too hung up on social trends.

So long as people aren't breaking the law, let their masculinity be as 'toxic' or 'nontoxic' as they want it to be.

I don't think its in our interested to get too hung up on social trends.

^^ This , and not get caught up in all the gender wars that are going on. please let people be what they want to be , the world is already judgemental enough