All of us need to unite

People have no need to fear their own government when they have always been more powerful. I'm not sure why some started to talk about communism and socialism on this thread all of a sudden, but there are dangers far worse than either of those.

Groups like Rothschilds did not get their money through legal or ordinary means. World domination has been attempted numerous times before. If you were as rich and powerful as them, what do you think would be the most effective way to take over. To use the media, brainwash people, poison people's food, and convince the population they are free. The best kind of slave is the one that believes they are free. Even the Star Wars movies mention this. Such as the Clone Wars and Separatist movement, when it was a false flag engineered. That's based on real things that have happen. We are all being used when we don't have to be.

Are you free Yabaturtle?
If you are free then what is the problem? If youre not free, what would you choose to do if you were suddenly given freedom that you cannot do now?

Yabuturtle wrote: People have no need to fear their own government when they have always been more powerful. I'm not sure why some started to talk about communism and socialism on this thread all of a sudden, but there are dangers far worse than either of those.

Groups like Rothschilds did not get their money through legal or ordinary means. World domination has been attempted numerous times before. If you were as rich and powerful as them, what do you think would be the most effective way to take over. To use the media, brainwash people, poison people's food, and convince the population they are free. The best kind of slave is the one that believes they are free. Even the Star Wars movies mention this. Such as the Clone Wars and Separatist movement, when it was a false flag engineered. That's based on real things that have happen. We are all being used when we don't have to be.

I am familiar with the story of the Rothies.. :blush: Ever heard of the Georgia guide stone too? Not sure how real on unreal the stones inscription is followed, but the fact is that the stone stands. I know more stories, but that is for another time..

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

https://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

https://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/245284/images/stone%20cube%2020%2014(1).jpeg

Marxism, Capitalism, Communism and Socialism are being discussed here because the post is about power structures and how they are used to divide people, which I would also lump the Rothschilds into. Getting money by legal, illegal, ordinary or peculiar ways means very little. The value of money is determined by the economic system it is derived from, and it is this value that determines how powerful that money is in manipulating policy and politics. Having twenty billion Pesos doesn't mean a whole lot if the Peso does not hold the value that a British Pound does. The Rothschilds are rich, and because of that they have influence, but they are still dependent on the system to give their money worth. If dollars were suddenly to become worthless, their political influence would certainly change. They have just been cunning enough to avoid putting all of their wealth into one basket.

And when you speak of false flags, that also applies to people who believe in conspiracy. The stories about the Rothschilds illegally obtaining their wealth are largely false, and are a result of antisemitic prejudice throughout Europe during the 1800's that continues today. It is your fear of the Rothschilds that gives this conspiracy theory power, and those in political authority will use that to separate you from others. In actuality, they were shrewd financiers who came up with ways to diversify wealth and make money off of government bonds during times of war and then kept that wealth within the family by being discrete about their finances and investments and spreading their wealth across many countries so that no local government could steal their money through expropriation or violence. By investing in stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments, they were able to protect their wealth during local wars or conflicts.

They did the same with their philanthropy, by the way. They have donated huge sums of money, property and art, often anonymously, in order to keep it from falling into government hands or to protect it during conflicts. They were smart and they were discrete, which allowed them to keep the sum of their wealth a secret. This doesn't mean something nefarious or evil is going on. It just means they were smarter than their contemporaries and that pissed a lot of people off.

These lies also played a very large part in the rise of Nazi Germany as Hitler was able to convince a suffering working class that it was these rich Jewish bankers who were stealing from hard working white Christians. He furthered the conspiracy theory to separate people, not unite them and eventually used it as justification to murder over six million Jews. I hardly consider that uniting people. By buying into these lies, you are being used too.

From Wikipedia, among other sources... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family


People unite against tyranny and oppression when they have nothing left to lose, because that is when people are truly equal and also truly free.

Senan wrote: People unite against tyranny and oppression when they have nothing left to lose, because that is when people are truly equal and also truly free.

This is the truth and that is freedom. You are worried of an awakening but much like another time of growth for man it will simply happen when enough minds figure out they are slaves. There is a price to be paid for such an awakening and to look around and notice that which others doesn't help us much. I see that in the end we are all credit slaves always owing our time for things we never really own. But, the truth is you can help other see it but their perspective is their own so until others are so like minded with you it is a useless pursuit to worry of it but a worthy on to spread the knowledge you can confirm as the truth. If the world was as it seems then there would be no surprises.

If someone is a 'credit slave' then they are doing it wrong. They would be viewing it in terms of the banks point of view which is immediately disempowering conceptually and not particularily helpful. It's more accurate to say one is a 'debt slave' because its their debt which is enslaving them - unless they had no choice in taking that debt. Obviously different parts of the world have different economic circumstances... and survival is always going to be priority 1.

But lines of credit are probably the main mechanism which allows movements vertically in wealth when one interacts with a market - as they afford a way to bridge troughs in market movements, which allows a greater degree of positive interaction and therefore more chances to leverage profit from the investment. They mitigate the chains of time to some extent in letting people take action.... in effect its a type of gambling. Otherwise people would have less chance to accelerate wealth growth, and it is an accelerating process... starting slow and speeding up, potentially.

So why are they a debt slave? If its their choice then it must be some long term debt or something, and while IMO risk can be assessed, uncertainty cannot, and holding debt long-term invites more uncertainty and reduces the capacity to accurately assess risk. There are many markets and many positions within each market, but long term is never a great idea when your at the beginning of it generally speaking because for all intents and purposes you've locked yourself out of the market by taking a position you've elected to hold.

Locally there was some political blabbing about good versus bad debt as a concept, but for us normal people good debt is debt that is acquired and managed to generate some positive return, while bad debt is any debt that is not 'in play' to return growth.

At the risk of making an climate change segway, debt is like a hot piece of coal in winter, it'll burn your hand the longer you hold it but it has an inherent worth to others so if you can grab em when they are just about to become rare then you can get more back for it then you paid for it. I wish I'd done a solar or geothermal metaphor LOL

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If someone is a 'credit slave' then they are doing it wrong. They would be viewing it in terms of the banks point of view

Yeah, the bank always seems to have my Credit and Debit columns backwards on my statements????

good debt is debt that is acquired and managed to generate some positive return, while bad debt is any debt that is not 'in play' to return growth.

Sure.

Lots of people (and Businesses, and Governments) hold debt, with the basic assumption that they are smarter with the money than the person they borrowed it off, and can make better returns that will cover the interest for the loan and still make a profit.

Borrowing money to buy a car that will only depreciate every day you own it? - Bad.
Borrowing money to start your super profitable guaranteed no fail business venture? - Arguably good.

I technically don't have a penny to my name, but I'm knee deep in hot coal. (I'm really not sure this metaphor is robust....)

I see that in the end we are all credit slaves always owing our time for things we never really own.

I don't know if a man can ever really own a bushel of apples, but I've never had anyone ask for them back after I've finished with them :sick:


I had more, but the secretary has got the espresso machine humming, so I'm off to ponder the plight of whichever poor bastards in whichever poor country were paid almost nothing to bring me delicious warm beverages.

JamesSand wrote:

If someone is a 'credit slave' then they are doing it wrong. They would be viewing it in terms of the banks point of view

Yeah, the bank always seems to have my Credit and Debit columns backwards on my statements????

I know, I know, but banks protect themselves when they hold the debt, and so while the person has the credit technically they really are the ones who are vulnerable, if you know what I mean :S

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The Rothschilds are rich, and because of that they have influence, but they are still dependent on the system to give their money worth. If dollars were suddenly to become worthless, their political influence would certainly change. They have just been cunning enough to avoid putting all of their wealth into one basket.

Yes and no. As you say, money really has no inherent worth.

I like to see money more as a "scorecard" - I am not rich because I have X Dollarydoos (the official currency of Fourecks), I am rich because I have a bunch of other stuff, that (at the currenty stuff/points exchange rate) is worth X number of points.

Gotta be careful of course in this game, because sometimes points are worth less than you think (a bit like those tickets you get at arcade places where you need a billion tickets to get a stuffed frog toy)

Money can mean bupkis tomorrow, but the Rothschilds (and lots of other wealthy organisations) still have buildings, land, intellectual property, and whatever other assets to their name (or at least, pieces of paper that say they have those assets. We could go full anarchy - without a motor registry, how can you prove you own a car?) but I digress from my point.

Money is a scorecard, and yes, if you only have money, then when the value of the points of your score card change, you're not holding much (I'll give you 50 omegle points if you.....)


(I will be left holding large quantities of hot coal, that are becoming increasingly difficult to trade with as global warming makes my hot coal distribution business quite superfluous!)

Groups like Rothschilds did not get their money through legal or ordinary means. World domination has been attempted numerous times before. If you were as rich and powerful as them, what do you think would be the most effective way to take over. To use the media, brainwash people, poison people's food, and convince the population they are free. The best kind of slave is the one that believes they are free. Even the Star Wars movies mention this. Such as the Clone Wars and Separatist movement, when it was a false flag engineered. That's based on real things that have happen. We are all being used when we don't have to be.

Oh, what will you do if you become free?

I couldn't find a clip of it, but Sam Neill does beautifully (as he does all things) in Bicentennial Man when young Andrew asks to be free, so he makes him free (Less of an issue for Andrew, being immortal and all, but the lesson remains)

I believe the subject has (or is) being addressed in a Song of Ice and Fire (a Game of thrones for the HBO Crowd) - The dragon queen gives freedom to the slaves, and they suddenly find themselves without masters to feed and clothe them, and subsequently die.

Adder you are correct as the phrase would be more accurately put as debt slave. Long term borrowing should always be based on probable return on investment, for this exact reason I don't own the nicest of cars but bought ones I could afford in cash so that there is no borrowing involved.
However, medical expenses here in the US can often turn into a long term debt and though there is a return as you make more money the longer you live, hopefully, it is still easy to find yourself buried in a level of debt that may be difficult to repay.
I also incurred a huge amount of debt on investment in my education, I have been lucky enough to pay a good portion back and not have much left. However, there are those who have not. I won't go into semantics as to why they have not.
At this point though I am considering/sure, that I will be incurring another large student loan for a master's, understandably this is an investment that will generate returns as it significantly increases my pay rate in the education system. However, this debt does not come back with a tangible ownership of anything, such as land ect.