eat the rich

Jamie Stick wrote: Hurt feelings can't hold a candle to that kind of injustice.

Pain leads to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering :whistle: :silly:

Sorry, couldn't resist

Jamie Stick wrote:

Brenna wrote: Didn't think that you would like it much.

But regardless, both statements might be true of our experiences, but they are discriminatory. No matter how you package it up.

Last time I checked, even people with money were still people. And bundling them all up as uncaring and "making their money off the back of others" is a massive generalisation. Discriminatory. No less so than saying all [transgender] people are just demanding more privileges than other genders.

It never ceases to amaze me how people of power and privilege find it so unreasonable that others should be treated with dignity and respect, that they should be treated as human beings, that they should have the right to live and work unabated by social and economic pressures. Aside from hurt feelings, how has what I have done just now caused any harm? None. None. None. That garbage man was put out of work for 30 days. In 30 days a person can lose their job, fall behind on their rent, fall behind on their car payments, not be able to feed their family memebers, etc. 30 days could put someone into dire straits. Hurt feelings can't hold a candle to that kind of injustice.

How is what you have done any different from what I have done? Both statements have assigned a generalised judgement of character on an entire group of people based on their demographic.

Jamie Stick wrote: That garbage man was put out of work for 30 days. In 30 days a person can lose their job, fall behind on their rent, fall behind on their car payments, not be able to feed their family memebers, etc. 30 days could put someone into dire straits. Hurt feelings can't hold a candle to that kind of injustice.

I don't think many would disagree that this guy got shafted. It is an injustice. It was perpetrated by uncaring and selfish people. It doesn't matter if they were rich or not.

Power and privilege can be misused, but it does not mean they always will be. Not all people in power or with privilege find it unreasonable to treat people with dignity and respect. Nelson Mandela became a man of power and privilege. He used it rather effectively to promote dignity and respect, I would say.

Brenna wrote: How is what you have done any different from what I have done? Both statements have assigned a generalised judgement of character on an entire group of people based on their demographic.

Because you have social and political capital that a transgender person does not have. It's not merely a generalization, but the implications of what your assumption about transgender people means for the transgender community. Cisgender people's opinions get transgender people killed. Transgender people do not have that same power.

Likewise, the rich have a social and political voice which allows them to shape society in whatever way they see fit. A poor person does not have this power. Rich people's assumptions and opinions on the poor become law and policy. Poor people's assumptions and opinions hurt the rich's feelings.

I can take you to meet hundreds of wealthy people who got their money by hard work and sacrifice. None of them stepped on anyone's back to do it. Money does not make people bad or "evil". That would be like saying cell phones make people bad/evil. Money is just a thing, it gives people options. The choices the person makes is what makes them a good or bad person.

Those hundreds of people are some of the nicest, gentlest, fun loving, heart giving, hard working, servers of humans I have ever been fortunate enough to meet. And please, before you assume I am wealthy, I am wealthy of life, but not of wealth. I have been given a vehicle that will build wealth and allow me to show others how to build it, but some people are so broke minded that they believe it is better to be broke, live in debt, be treated like a slave to a boss, prostitue their spouses out (make them get a job), have little to no time to spend with their families and then try to claim they are happy. I call bullshit. If your version of a romantic date is making the person order off the dollar menu, you are going to fight about money and you aren't happy. Money gives options and takes 85% of the stress out of life because 85% of arguments are centered around finances.

You may not like what I have to say about it and that's fine because I don't need anyone's approval. I don't need anyone's permission. I want to give my family the best life possible and taking a 8-10 hour divorce from them everyday is not it.

As for the trash man, he got screwed by the system but not because it was money related. The system is flawed and shouldn't have allowed them to attack an individual for doing a company job. Where I live, if you are outside making noise before 7AM it is called "Disturbing the Peace". It carries a 30 day jail sentence, a $1000 fine and usually 1 year of unsupervised probation. I live in a subdivision that rents to people on housing assistance. It is something we were on until we were made to move since the owner wanted to sell the house. It doesn't matter what the wealth of the neighborhood is, there are still penalties in place for people who violate the rules.

MTFBWY all.
~Silver

Jamie Stick wrote:

Brenna wrote: How is what you have done any different from what I have done? Both statements have assigned a generalised judgement of character on an entire group of people based on their demographic.

Because you have social and political capital that a transgender person does not have. It's not merely a generalization, but the implications of what your assumption about transgender people means for the transgender community. Cisgender people's opinions get transgender people killed. Transgender people do not have that same power.

Likewise, the rich have a social and political voice which allows them to shape society in whatever way they see fit. A poor person does not have this power. Rich people's assumptions and opinions on the poor become law and policy. Poor people's assumptions and opinions hurt the rich's feelings.

Social and political capital doesn't change the fact that its a generalised judgement based on someone's demographic.

But I do agree on the assumptions and what they mean for that group. How about we explore the "eat the rich" thing. Lets imagine for a moment that its socially acceptable to say that all rich people are taking advantage of others. (And acceptable it seems to be) its a social narrative that is generalised discrimination. So if a poor person happens to get their hands on a fire arm and shoots the nearest person driving what appears to be an expensive car believing them to be rich and therefor the cause of their own poverty...

Then what?

There is no difference in the mind-set Jamie. Them and us always ends badly.

its people who feel a need to punish someone that get transgendered people killed

wouldnt suprise me to learn that at least some of it is people with - uncertainty issues themselves lashing out at what they try to deny about themselves but yes or no on that score to say the opinions of people who are comfortable with their gender gets people who arent comfortable with their gender killed is as limiting and biggoted as to say rich people walk all over poor people

my opinions are in favor of analysis and respect and responsibility all across the board

and personally i am not "cisgendered"
i am a man
im willng to call you whatever you prefer and i dont take offense at your labeling me according to your own view of reality but i will point out that you are doing it to me and that i am not doing it to you

OB1Shinobi wrote: its people who feel a need to punish someone that get transgendered people killed

If I had a dollar for every ignorant comment like this based on nothing but speculation, I'd be a millionaire... (But I don't wanna be one, so... Please stop making ignorant comments)

Please read my pamphlet .

the problem with wealth (in america) is largely that 99% of our nations wealth resides in the hands of only 1% of our population...and it's this 1% minority that controls the government, influencing policy, formulating and passing laws into effect. of course it's not the entire 1% that contributes negatively to society, but when the good people do nothing it's the same as giving an endorsement.