Ghosts/spirits?

Many of you are saying that ghosts are real and you've talked to them. This means you may have schizophrenia. I'm not trying to be rude or shame anyone, but if you are seeing/hearing things then please get help, it may be a symptom of something much more serious.

Whyte Horse wrote: Well if you assume ghosts don't exist, then this is how you deal with them:
1. Check for schizophrenia
2. If no schiz, then look for some psychological source such as fear, anxiety, curiosity, etc
3. If no psych source, look for external sources like other people who may be creating some effects through their behaviour and thoughts that is experienced as ghost-like by an observer.
4. If it's not other people, it may be an animal or plant or wind or water or something natural.
5. If it's not something natural, call it super-natural or para-normal and ask someone to help you investigate it.

Whyte Horse wrote: Many of you are saying that ghosts are real and you've talked to them. This means you may have schizophrenia. I'm not trying to be rude or shame anyone, but if you are seeing/hearing things then please get help, it may be a symptom of something much more serious.

Umm...I could be wrong here, but I believe the purpose of this thread, and the request stated in the OP, implies the assumption that ghosts are real. If not ghosts, then spirits or something else ordinarily unseen. Either way, attempting to give psychological advise to people you've never met, never seen, never interacted with face to face, never spoken to... that's overstepping, my friend, at least in my opinion. But by saying one's belief that they've spoken with a ghost is a mental illness, you can later infer that one's belief in a god, the force, or essentially anything else regulalrly unseen is a mental illness. There are plenty of things out there that cannot be explained through "natural" explanations. And there are plenty of spiritual paths which, at least in my limited understanding of them, are reliant upon both the belief in and interaction with spirits/ghosts. Again, that does not mean someone is ill. Belief in such things does not make one ill, it makes one open minded...in my opinion... Maybe it's just me, but I think it'd be better if such diagnosis/advice were left to the professionals and medical care advisors who know each of us in person, rather than via an online forum. After all, it's been an all too common event for someone to be diagnosed as mentally ill and drugged or locked away simply because they were different than a "normal" person.

However, I've digressed slightly. Since the OP asked for people to recount their experiences related to ghosts/spirits, as was already pointed out once, maybe the debate of whether or not they exist should be started as its own thead entirely? Just a thought.....

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Whyte Horse wrote: Well if you assume ghosts don't exist, then this is how you deal with them:
1. Check for schizophrenia
2. If no schiz, then look for some psychological source such as fear, anxiety, curiosity, etc
3. If no psych source, look for external sources like other people who may be creating some effects through their behaviour and thoughts that is experienced as ghost-like by an observer.
4. If it's not other people, it may be an animal or plant or wind or water or something natural.
5. If it's not something natural, call it super-natural or para-normal and ask someone to help you investigate it.

While I generally disagree with Whyte Horse on...well, practically everything, this checklist is actually a great idea. Whether you believe in the existence of the supernatural or not, I think we can all agree that mental health is an important topic. Exorcists use a similar checklist (though far less specific in terms of the mental illnesses potentially involved) before they involve themselves in a case, because if you treat something that isn't spiritually/metaphysically called as though it is, you will not achieve the desired results. I say this as someone who is both a very strong advocate for positive mental health, and a believer in supernatural phenomena.

What I understood from the OP was

I am not sure what I am experiencing or what to call it.
and
I would love to hear from others . . .

Kamizu . . did I mis-understand?

bowenc1994 wrote:

rugadd wrote: Discussions like this always make me think of how different it is(or is not) that some people hear and speak to "God" or "Gods".

Can we really say they don't?

I've always heard from elderly people I've met that if the person believes they solely communicate with God it is a demon. A true communication with God requires a translator who has devoted their lives to learning to communicate. Apparently most that are spoken to cant understand. I don't really know if I believe that or what about it I would but I thought it was worth mentioning. Anyone have more knowledge on the subject?

A lot of elderly Christians where I live say this, too. When I ask them to explain the prophets in the Old Testament, they quickly retract the theory.

edited for double post, because storms make my internet do stupid things

Jon wrote: There seems to be a lot of evidence that says ghosts aren’t real, but there is also a lot of evidence that says they are real. It is a lot harder to prove that ghosts in general do not exist, than prove that "I" had a particular paranormal experience ipso facto "ghosts exist", but at the end of the day it is up to ourselves on whether or not we choose to believe in the paranormal or not. If there are ghosts and we do not believe in them then they will still be there, and if we believe in them they will also be there, just as if they do not exist there will still be nothing no matter what we believe in. So like all opinions whether we believe in them or not is a leaf in the wind, of no real relevance.

I personally know they exist, because I have seen and felt it. That was enough for me and settled the matter.

My apologies for missing your post yesterday Jon You must have put it up while I was writing the last wall of text

Beautifully put.

Silvermane wrote: Thank you for correcting me, Kit. It was 5AM and I couldn't go back to sleep. So looking at it now, there is a few errors. Not to mention it looks like I wrote the first chapter to "War and Peace". Sad thing is, I don't remember writing half of it... And I had a really funky dream afterwards. Anyway, I'm always happy to share. I've got plenty of stories in my 20+ years of being a Magick Practioner.

Ahahahaha no worries! I was just teasin' you I may have to poke some more stories out of you sometime

666 wrote: I am going to clarify only one side of this...for me that's the end of all debates, if someone think is real... prove it, and catch all that money, if not, is another LIE

You know, I'm not trying to prove myself to you. I really have no interest in that. You can believe whatever you want to believe. That's the fun in life. HOWEVER it is rather tactless to come into a church like this and call everyone who was kind enough to share their personal experiences in this thread a liar.

This thread was never intended on "Is there or isn't there" spirits. I have my answer to that question.

Avalonslight wrote: ...I personally believe in angels, particularly guardian angels, spirits, even faeries. Just because we cannot see them doesn't mean they're not there. The fact that you can see this one makes me think there's a reason for it. Or maybe it's simply a special ability that you've got. Especially since it was so clear for you, that you were able to identify who it was. I wish you luck on your experience with this particular spirit/ghost/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

Ahahaha I would be unnerved I think by a blob that wouldn't announce its intentions! And that trickster of yours would have a hard time hiding things from me...I don't normally know where anything is to begin with LOL.

I wonder if it's simply my work with the spirit part of the world that allowed me to see him. Or it could be that I was shown him for a reason. I really need to make the time to talk with my guide on it lol.

RyuJin wrote: ...I decided not to put it back up afterwards...there are many more experiences I've had at home over the years....

Ok, the writing would be scary for me I'm use to hearing things and seeing things move but the writing would be scary. Did you ever identify what was written or what language it was in?

Yeah I would have left the clock too LOL

Adder wrote: Not my area unfortunately, perhaps I should try and invite some :huh:

(actually I did invite a long dead monk once and I think I got possessed by him during my sleep but I didn't see any ghosts)

My only experiences which fall into what people call ghosts have seemed distinct as experienced internally, as if viewing an overlaid dimension by my mind instead of through my normal senses; of either subconscious imagination/vision/delusion, or the subconscious itself was used to relay some supernatural awareness. I prefer the later as it keeps the idea of the supernatural viable and within reach - but the downside of my situation is it is effectively impossible to prove as the only path is through individual experience. Which saddles the whole thing into non-physical.

My partner has seen a few apparently, before we met.... but none since (over 15 years now). She had even been attacked a couple of times; shutting doors, collapsing tables etc. I've never seen anything remotely like that yet.

Haha be careful who you invite Adder I've had experiences where I've SEEN or HEARD ghosts and a few times where things would move. But THIS experience and most of my experiences with seeking out spirits are all a different way of looking at things with more than my physical eyes. What was different with this one is I wasn't invoking that..."magesight" or over-sight when I saw him. And it was the first time that it was so clear outside of a journey. And the first time shifting my awareness to USE that kind of seeing without focusing. it was pretty exciting!

Whyte Horse wrote: Many of you are saying that ghosts are real and you've talked to them. This means you may have schizophrenia. I'm not trying to be rude or shame anyone, but if you are seeing/hearing things then please get help, it may be a symptom of something much more serious.

If it helps put your mind at ease any Whyte Horse, I actually HAVE talked with Mental Health on the matter. He was perfectly ok with me feeling that ghosts were real.

I'd imagine it would only become a problem if that factor overtook living an "otherwise normal" life. Or if a person was trying to hurt themselves or others on the direction of a spirit and couldn't stop themselves. Otherwise, it's no different than believing in the existence of a deity, and speaking with them.

Mareeka wrote: What I understood from the OP was

I am not sure what I am experiencing or what to call it.
and
I would love to hear from others . . .

Kamizu . . did I mis-understand?

Maybe I wasn't all too clear. I DO believe in the existence of spirits/ghosts/things unseen in the world. I think I'm just not sure how to classify this particular instance as it was outside how I've normally experienced. So I was asking for aid from those perhaps more versed in this realm, and for anyone who was willing to share their experiences in the unseen.

I don't have a problem with people not believing the existence of spirits, however a little bit of open-mindedness is appreciated This kind of "Is there/isn't there" debate is right along side proving the existence of God/gods. All I can do is offer my experiences, theories and beliefs. This thread wasn't started to start that debate. lol. And I do love a good debate, but these kind tend to dissolves into blind arguments quicker than my cat takes Husband's computer chair when he goes to the bathroom. So if someone wants to kick up THAT particular bull, they're welcome to it! (preferably in another thread! :silly: )

Kamizu wrote:

Avalonslight wrote: ...I personally believe in angels, particularly guardian angels, spirits, even faeries. Just because we cannot see them doesn't mean they're not there. The fact that you can see this one makes me think there's a reason for it. Or maybe it's simply a special ability that you've got. Especially since it was so clear for you, that you were able to identify who it was. I wish you luck on your experience with this particular spirit/ghost/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

Ahahaha I would be unnerved I think by a blob that wouldn't announce its intentions! And that trickster of yours would have a hard time hiding things from me...I don't normally know where anything is to begin with LOL.

LOL I think, if I remember correctly, I was only 10 or so at the time and was very, very much into Pokemon. I remember explaining it away to myself as it was just a Gastly. (Honestly, that's what I remember it looking like too.) In hindsight, yeah. . .had I been older, I probably would've been unnerved too. I guess that's just the bliss of childhood! Then again, it never did anything but...float around.

it doesn't matter too much, if an event exist/ happen, can be recorder, and in todays days we all have a way, to record audio, or video, or take pictures.
if you are in presence of any event , ghost/spirit, or paranormal, just record it, if you are not for the money, think, how many people you can help with that money.

anyway, I don't believe, if someone can grab that money and chose not.
this must be, just only because can not be proved. so must be a lie or fake.

there are 1000s of ghost hunters, out there, people with technology, and knowledge, and even in that way, there are no prove, lot of fake, hoax, but any real....

that just say to me again "internet kill them all, ghost, spirits, paranormal events, or whatever"

when I was younger (more than 25 years ago) i use to study all kind of things, including ghost, haunted houses, paranormal activities, and ufo cases, I been in lot of countries, lot of haunted houses, with lot of mediums, seminaries, and others.
and i keep myself open to everything, but. today
i believe it is possible to prove it, if exist, not like in the past, that was only mouth to mouth, or urban legends,
so even with an open mind,
1- prove it
2- grab the money, if you don't want the money, give it to me, I use that money to STUDY the case
3- keep going with your normal life