Ghosts/spirits?

I have seen them too. They're not just (human) spirits, but some are. I mean we humans are pretty cool in our spirit forms, but I don't think we generally climb all over the walls and ceiling (although I might give it a try), but we can go though them, which is equally cool. There are other things that live beyond the average humans ability to see (not because they don't have the ability, but because they don't want to). And contrary to what some would like to believe there are some that can harm you, but I don't believe its their intention to cause harm. They just do what they do. Like some live off of the energy humans put out and some of them prefer certain types of energy (like a couple of the strongest being anger and fear). Makes sense as to why so many humans are afraid of them.

Anyway...the ones that are human spirits, like Mareeka said, sometimes have some unfinished business. Or sometimes they just don't realize they've died, especially if it was a sudden death. Some of them are not actual ghosts, but very strong echos of the past. These ones you can't interact with because the "person" just isn't there and you can tell if it's an echo because it will repeat the same behaviors and patterns at the same time each day, week, year and so on. The ones who are still here you can interact with, but then there is the question as to whether you should. Maybe you can help them, maybe you can't, but if they know you can see them they probably won't leave you alone after that and if they want something from you and you can't deliver, well they can become quite moody and rude.

I would say, leave the chats for the ones that specifically come to you and you'll know it when they do and as with Mareeka's experience you'll often just know instinctively what they need. That's why they come to you.

I did have one that I chatted with when I was young though. He was the first I encountered that didn't want something from me, but to offer something instead. He just listened to me and in his own way consoled me. He stopped me from doing many stupid things. And really, he was a part of our family. There were nights when we'd all be watching tv and the rocking chair would just start going back and forth. It made me smile that he would just hang out with us like that. He must have been a very nice man in life (or at least I believed he was).

Discussions like this always make me think of how different it is(or is not) that some people hear and speak to "God" or "Gods".

Can we really say they don't?

rugadd wrote: Discussions like this always make me think of how different it is(or is not) that some people hear and speak to "God" or "Gods".

Can we really say they don't?

I've always heard from elderly people I've met that if the person believes they solely communicate with God it is a demon. A true communication with God requires a translator who has devoted their lives to learning to communicate. Apparently most that are spoken to cant understand. I don't really know if I believe that or what about it I would but I thought it was worth mentioning. Anyone have more knowledge on the subject?

bowenc1994 wrote:

rugadd wrote: Discussions like this always make me think of how different it is(or is not) that some people hear and speak to "God" or "Gods".

Can we really say they don't?

I've always heard from elderly people I've met that if the person believes they solely communicate with God it is a demon. A true communication with God requires a translator who has devoted their lives to learning to communicate. Apparently most that are spoken to cant understand. I don't really know if I believe that or what about it I would but I thought it was worth mentioning. Anyone have more knowledge on the subject?

Yeah...here's a logic bomb for you. You can't attain the divine to such a specific form. It's kinda in it's nature lol. When divinity knocks on the door, it knocks on the door, it doesn't send a person selling magazines or something.....oh wait....

rugadd wrote: Discussions like this always make me think of how different it is(or is not) that some people hear and speak to "God" or "Gods".

Can we really say they don't?

Well.... think about it. Have you seen any "god" in any mythology that conforms to communication through only one specific form?

Exactly! I "understand" this "message" because it was tailored to what I needed to hear and HOW I needed to hear it! All forms of divine communication are that...they are ALL valid...FOR THAT RECIPIENT...

Like the right "angle" taking advantage of where you are standing to show you a "rainbow". To many steps tothe left or right, you just couldn't see it...but stand RIGHT THERE...

says something interesting if a ghost starts chatting.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and say there aren't ghosts. I know about the weird shadows on the wall and weird falling objects and all that. I've also experienced the cold chills, seen things that weren't there, heard sounds, etc. So what you're saying is perfectly normal and happens to a lot of people. Maybe it's unexplained but that doesn't mean it's a ghost.

I will admit that there seems to be a psychological presence which comes from outside ourselves. I think this is what we call ghosts. You know, when someone dies, they affect all those people that knew them, so there is a psychological effect on those people and their behaviour which is thrust into the world in many ways. So if you're looking for it, you see it. The more you see it the easier it is to turn it on and off. Maybe when you quiet your mind, you hear the pain and suffering of the survivors through observing the cues they leave in the world.

Whyte Horse wrote: I'm gonna have to go ahead and say there aren't ghosts. I know about the weird shadows on the wall and weird falling objects and all that. I've also experienced the cold chills, seen things that weren't there, heard sounds, etc. So what you're saying is perfectly normal and happens to a lot of people. Maybe it's unexplained but that doesn't mean it's a ghost.

I will admit that there seems to be a psychological presence which comes from outside ourselves. I think this is what we call ghosts. You know, when someone dies, they affect all those people that knew them, so there is a psychological effect on those people and their behaviour which is thrust into the world in many ways. So if you're looking for it, you see it. The more you see it the easier it is to turn it on and off. Maybe when you quiet your mind, you hear the pain and suffering of the survivors through observing the cues they leave in the world.

I agree these experiences are perfectly normal as is the desire to understand them. I have had a variety of experiences as well.

Whyte Horse: "so if you're looking for it, you see it" . . .I believe that a wide range of curiosities, beliefs, fears, desires as well as creative processes turns on (activates) these experiences. . .from the subconscious. . and that it is normal.

Whyte Horse: "so if you're looking for it, you see it" . . . . . While, at some point in time, I made a conscious decision to not analyze or seek understanding about these experiences, curiosity and the desire to understand remained and I accepted that curiosity as normal. As I practiced "off" . . letting go, accepting, allowing, stilling the mind. . . the answers I was so curious about (on), occurred in my awareness a bit at a time . . . unfolding, like a flower, within me.

The scene in the Karate Kid movie comes to mind . . . . wax on, wax off, wax on , wax off

I have to say . . there are no ghosts. There is me and my experiences of me and of my environment.

I experienced deep and profound compassion while having appearances which occurred from the eyes of my body.

Naturally being the diverse people we are, we all have different beliefs and ideas. It doesn't make any one person right or wrong.

Terry Goodkind's book "Wizard's First Rule" says "People will believe any lie you tell them because they either want it to be true or they are afraid that it is." Now that being said, I will explain what I mean by it. I'm in no way saying anyone is a liar. What I mean is that the people who have had the experiences believe there is "something there" and the people who have never had an experience are usually on the fence whether they believe or not. If these people hear more and more experiences, they will most likely start to believe, but if they start listening to more nonbelievers, then they'll stray towards not believing. Hence why "people will believe any lie you tell them". We as people are influenced heavily by the associations that we keep. I've known believers who turned into nonbelievers because they hung around so many nonbelievers they started to believe what they were saying. I say this mainly to avoid a possible "heated discussion" between a nonbeliever and all the believers.

Now that I've probably confused you, let's carry on.. my way word son.. :huh: (Kansas song.. heh I almost said Boston.. I should go back to bed) Anway, I've had experiences. Some pretty gnarly ones. I sense and feel ghosts and other things all the time. There are many other things that I believe in and would take too long to put down here. If you spent 30 seconds in my head you'd probably run away screaming and be scarred for life, just saying. Having communed with these spirits before I know there are many who have unfinished business but there are many more who just want to stay around to watch their kids grow up or protect their family or they were joksters when alive so they want to haunt some place just for giggles. Spirits can choose to stay or go. I've spoke with many who just wanted to pass their knowledge to someone else. This would be quite like the Force apperations in the movies and games. For example, I had a Shaman visit my meditation and told me to go some place and call for him there. I went to the place, a natural hot springs outside of Cascade in Idaho, and he appeared. He took me to an old cave where there were Indian glyphs showing people healing animals and other people. The Shamans of the Shoshone tribe were mostly healers. He had me close my eyes and look through the cave with my Third Eye. Words cannot explain what I seen. It was like a book was written by the stars giving a complete run down on healing. It was breathtaking. He told me he would teach me one piece of that giant puzzle. I asked about resurrection, I wss denied. I asked about Herbology and was denied. I asked about elemental healing and he agreed. The cave walls flashed and the glyphs disappeared along with the Shaman. I spent the next few days meditating to piece together what he showed me. With it I learned elemental healing. I've never been able to find the hot springs or the cave again.