Sith Code better for everyday life?

Maybe_the_sith_arent_so_bad wrote: I have found that the Sith Code is far more applicable to my daily life then the Jedi code is. I often use hate to sustain myself during workouts and boxing matches, be it just frustration at life in general or hate of the opponent. Thoughts?

Tbh, imo the codes are kinda useless and could cloud our understanding. The maxims and creeds seem more thought out. Peace can be found in passion. It's the difference between righteous indignation and uncontrollable rage.

Passion is a part of our soul. It's intense e-motion(energy motion). Anger, fear, sorrow, our energy is moved into action.. but we should be measured in how and where we allow ourselves to be moved by external/internal stimuli.. applying when most effective..

"Be mindful of your thoughts"
"Peace in Passion leads to greater Strength"

Jaedon Adar-Barnaby wrote:

Maybe_the_sith_arent_so_bad wrote: I have found that the Sith Code is far more applicable to my daily life then the Jedi code is. I often use hate to sustain myself during workouts and boxing matches, be it just frustration at life in general or hate of the opponent. Thoughts?

Tbh, imo the codes are kinda useless and could cloud our understanding. The maxims and creeds seem more thought out....

The Doctrine ect here is good but otherwise i would say even as simple as the boyscouts oath is a better reference for real life decisions than either the jedi or sith codes, or much of anything from the fiction.
The SW books are lessons is wisdom and philosophy in exactly the same way that the Harry Potter books are lessons in witch-craft or the Alex Cross novels are lessons in police work.

The boyscouts oath goes (paraphrasing)

"Service to Everyone Else
Service to You
Service to Me"

Strangely enough, the order of care for emergency response is

"Help Me,
Help You
Help Everyone else"

"Better than this cartoonish bullshit" doesnt mean "the best code one could ever aspire to live by" but I was thinking of this one:

"On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight."

I can see how someone might interpret that as putting others first at all times, but personally i took it tomean that i would ALSO help others, as i was helping myself.

Then again i was never a scout, so lol

I've submitted a request to the council to have the "thank you" button replaced with

"Did you find this post;
A ) Not offensive at all
B ) Slightly offensive
C ) Moderately offensive
D ) Very offensive
E ) Extremely offensive"

I'm not really debating which if any code is more suitable for any given point scoring philosophy - just saying, it doesn't come with a cool border or nice colours, or get sold in shops that also sell gemstones and incense - but the basic rule of caring for casualties is "if you don't look after yourself first, the next person to come along has twice as many people to look after"

Does it sound noble? Not really.

Is every Fire Fighter, Ambulance driver, Police Officer, and professional soldier taught to think that way?

Yup.

(I'm not trying to convince Ob1 here - it's general banter for the sake of the thread)

Jaedon Adar-Barnaby wrote:

Maybe_the_sith_arent_so_bad wrote: I have found that the Sith Code is far more applicable to my daily life then the Jedi code is. I often use hate to sustain myself during workouts and boxing matches, be it just frustration at life in general or hate of the opponent. Thoughts?

Tbh, imo the codes are kinda useless and could cloud our understanding. The maxims and creeds seem more thought out. Peace can be found in passion. It's the difference between righteous indignation and uncontrollable rage.

Passion is a part of our soul. It's intense e-motion(energy motion). Anger, fear, sorrow, our energy is moved into action.. but we should be measured in how and where we allow ourselves to be moved by external/internal stimuli.. applying when most effective..

"Be mindful of your thoughts"
"Peace in Passion leads to greater Strength"

One by definition cannot have passion and peace at the same time. The very definition of the two words contradicts this concept. Further codes do nothing to inhibit your understanding unless you let them.

MadHatter wrote: One by definition cannot have passion and peace at the same time.

This, right here, is one of the biggest lies ever told by Jedi. Or Sith, for that matter.

The very definition of the two words contradicts this concept.

Which definitions? There are multiple definitions for both the word "passion" and the word "peace." In fact, if you take personal understanding/definitions into account, there are as many definitions for these words as there are people in the world.

Lykeios wrote:

MadHatter wrote: One by definition cannot have passion and peace at the same time.

This, right here, is one of the biggest lies ever told by Jedi. Or Sith, for that matter.

The very definition of the two words contradicts this concept.

Which definitions? There are multiple definitions for both the word "passion" and the word "peace." In fact, if you take personal understanding/definitions into account, there are as many definitions for these words as there are people in the world.

When it comes to actual emotional or mental states gs which is what is being defined here

Definition of peace

1 :a state of tranquility or quiet: such as
a :freedom from civil disturbance Peace and order were finally restored in the town.
b :a state of security or order within a community provided for by law or custom a breach of the peace
2 :freedom from disquieting or oppressive thoughts or emotions
I have been in perfect peace and contentment —J. H. Newman
3 :harmony in personal relations The sisters are at peace with each other.
4 a :a state or period of mutual concord between governments There was a peace of 50 years before war broke out again.
b :a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity
offered the possibility of a negotiated peace—New York Times
5 —used interjectionally to ask for silence or calm or as a greeting or farewell
— at peace
:in a state of concord or tranquility The problem was settled and his mind was at peace.

That which I have put in bold are the only possible options that count. Sorry, you don't get to make up definitions to words and try to make it count. Words have a definition and must be used properly. So the word peace is at odds with






Definition of passion

1 often capitalized
a :the sufferings of Christ between the night of the Last Supper and his death
b :an oratorio based on a gospel narrative of the Passion Bach's St. Matthew Passion
2 obsolete :suffering
3 :the state or capacity of being acted on by external agents or forces
moldable and not moldable … and many other passions of matter —Francis Bacon
4 a (1) :emotion his ruling passion is greed (2) passions plural :the emotions as distinguished from reason a study of the passions
b :intense, driving, or overmastering feeling or conviction
with enough passion to make a great poet —W. B. Yeats
c :an outbreak of anger a crime of passion
5 a :ardent affection :love He had never felt such passion for any woman but her.
b :a strong liking or desire for or devotion to some activity, object, or concept a passion for chess a passion for opera
c :sexual desire a look of passion in her face
d :an object of desire or deep interest

Because one cannot be at peace and have intense barely control emotional states as defined above. I'm sorry that is a reality. Words have a meaning and two conflicted states of being cannot coexist.

Hatter,

I seldom disagree with you so this is kinda a first.

Peace and passion can exist in co-harmony. I give you my personal experience as such. I am very passionate about helping other people avoid some of the suffering I caused myself. Now, in my career I am aware of the fact that I cannot stop all students from repeating my own actions, this attachment causes pain. I work at this growing a positive detachment each day however, I still require a certain level of passion to continue. However, this act brings me much peace. I am also very much experiencing a great deal of peace from passing on this knowledge.

Better put (I think) by the definitions you give they can only co-exist as products of one another. Your passion can lead to peace. I would also set that pursuit of peace and harmony within ourselves and within the Force requires a certain amount of passion.

Much love and respect,
Kobos

MadHatter wrote:

Lykeios wrote:

MadHatter wrote: One by definition cannot have passion and peace at the same time.

This, right here, is one of the biggest lies ever told by Jedi. Or Sith, for that matter.

The very definition of the two words contradicts this concept.

Which definitions? There are multiple definitions for both the word "passion" and the word "peace." In fact, if you take personal understanding/definitions into account, there are as many definitions for these words as there are people in the world.

When it comes to actual emotional or mental states gs which is what is being defined here

Definition of peace

1 :a state of tranquility or quiet: such as
2 :freedom from disquieting or oppressive thoughts or emotions
:in a state of concord or tranquility The problem was settled and his mind was at peace.

That which I have put in bold are the only possible options that count. Sorry, you don't get to make up definitions to words and try to make it count. Words have a definition and must be used properly. So the word peace is at odds with

Definition of passion

b :a strong liking or desire for or devotion to some activity, object, or concept a passion for chess a passion for opera


Because one cannot be at peace and have intense barely control emotional states as defined above. I'm sorry that is a reality. Words have a meaning and two conflicted states of being cannot coexist.

That may be your interpretation of those dictionary definitions, it is not mine.

Be snarky about words having meaning all you want. That doesn't change the fact that connotation is a thing. Denotative word meanings only get us so far. Words both denote meaning and connote meaning. You can't win a debate about things as personal as "peace" and "passion" by quoting the dictionary. Sorry, but that's not how it works. That's not how language works and that's not how discussions/debates work.

Even IF we just take the specific denotative definitions you cherry picked and put in bold, I see no inherent conflict between the word "passion" and "peace." You can read that into the definitions if you want, but that meaning isn't actually there. That's your personal interpretation of what the definitions mean. And that's why the connotative value of words matters as much, if not more than, the denotative dictionary definitions of words.