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MartaLina wrote: Ah maybe gender is the wrong word . if we use the word "sex" you can only be one or the other , or , not want anybody to know what you are , you dont have to fill it in....


Indeed. My greatest regret when rewriting the doctrine was to use the word "gender" (pseudo-political nonsense) instead of "sex" (a fact of lfe)



Looking deeper into it it looks as though it can be done without breaking the forum with minimal effort, so as long as it works out this way, it's a non-issue for me.


Ah you are going to change the word gender into sex ? Because i can be quite the butch he woman and my current answer to my gender does not express that now :P

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7 years 4 months ago #260314 by ren
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MartaLina wrote:

ren wrote:

MartaLina wrote: Ah maybe gender is the wrong word . if we use the word "sex" you can only be one or the other , or , not want anybody to know what you are , you dont have to fill it in....


Indeed. My greatest regret when rewriting the doctrine was to use the word "gender" (pseudo-political nonsense) instead of "sex" (a fact of lfe)



Looking deeper into it it looks as though it can be done without breaking the forum with minimal effort, so as long as it works out this way, it's a non-issue for me.


Ah you are going to change the word gender into sex ? Because i can be quite the butch he woman and my current answer to my gender does not express that now :P


Yes I have :D
It's sex, and we have female, male and "neither". We've had at least one "neither" before, and as unlikely as we are to meet hermaphrodites/intersex/you-name-it, it's only fair. They should have it on passports too imo.

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MartaLina wrote:

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MartaLina wrote: Ah maybe gender is the wrong word . if we use the word "sex" you can only be one or the other , or , not want anybody to know what you are , you dont have to fill it in....


Indeed. My greatest regret when rewriting the doctrine was to use the word "gender" (pseudo-political nonsense) instead of "sex" (a fact of lfe)



Looking deeper into it it looks as though it can be done without breaking the forum with minimal effort, so as long as it works out this way, it's a non-issue for me.


Ah you are going to change the word gender into sex ? Because i can be quite the butch he woman and my current answer to my gender does not express that now :P


Yes I have :D
It's sex, and we have female, male and "neither". We've had at least one "neither" before, and as unlikely as we are to meet hermaphrodites/intersex/you-name-it, it's only fair. They should have it on passports too imo.


Excellent , Edan is right , gender is a confusing word with different meanings to people , the word sex says exactly what you are :) or not if you are neither ...

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7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago #260316 by Avalon
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Or... you know.. could just leave it as "gender" and change it to a fill in box and let people put what they feel applies best to them? That's just a simple matter of changing the entry type and pretty easily done on just about any forum profile set up...

Because frankly gender and sex are completely different things and gender has a greater day to day role in how people interact with one another compared to sex.

But whatever -_-

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7 years 4 months ago #260317 by ren
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MartaLina wrote:

ren wrote:

MartaLina wrote:

ren wrote:

MartaLina wrote: Ah maybe gender is the wrong word . if we use the word "sex" you can only be one or the other , or , not want anybody to know what you are , you dont have to fill it in....


Indeed. My greatest regret when rewriting the doctrine was to use the word "gender" (pseudo-political nonsense) instead of "sex" (a fact of lfe)



Looking deeper into it it looks as though it can be done without breaking the forum with minimal effort, so as long as it works out this way, it's a non-issue for me.


Ah you are going to change the word gender into sex ? Because i can be quite the butch he woman and my current answer to my gender does not express that now :P


Yes I have :D
It's sex, and we have female, male and "neither". We've had at least one "neither" before, and as unlikely as we are to meet hermaphrodites/intersex/you-name-it, it's only fair. They should have it on passports too imo.


Excellent , Edan is right , gender is a confusing word with different meanings to people , the word sex says exactly what you are :) or not if you are neither ...


The gender thing is completely out of control, to a point where it feels like the embodiment of nonacceptance and self-hatred. That intersex member we had had a go at me after I suggested that they were perfectly fine as is and should not feel pressured to be one or the other.
To me it's just like "race". It staggered me when I moved to the UK that obviously mixed-race people so strongly identified as white or black. Now that I have a mixed-race family, this "identity" extremism worries me.

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Avalonslight wrote: Or... you know.. could just leave it as "gender" and change it to a fill in box and let people put what they feel applies best to them? That's just a simple matter of changing the entry type and pretty easily done on just about any forum profile set up...

Because frankly gender and sex are completely different things and gender has a greater day to day role in how people interact with one another compared to sex.

But whatever -_-


I see what you mean , but there is an "about me" section too , where you can put all kinds of information you want to share about yourself




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7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago #260319 by ren
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Avalonslight wrote: Or... you know.. could just leave it as "gender" and change it to a fill in box and let people put what they feel applies best to them? That's just a simple matter of changing the entry type and pretty easily done on just about any forum profile set up...

Because frankly gender and sex are completely different things and gender has a greater day to day role in how people interact with one another compared to sex.

But whatever -_-


Does it and should it though?

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7 years 4 months ago #260322 by Kit
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Can I get a 'dictionary check' please so I know we're all on the same page hahaa

Sex: physical pluming
Gender: the emotional/mental identity to society roles of male/female?
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Kit wrote: Can I get a 'dictionary check' please so I know we're all on the same page hahaa

Sex: physical pluming
Gender: the emotional/mental identity to society roles of male/female?


lol

What is the difference between sex and gender?
Sex = male and female

Gender = masculine and feminine

So in essence:

Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.

Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine.

So while your sex as male or female is a biological fact that is the same in any culture, what that sex means in terms of your gender role as a 'man' or a 'woman' in society can be quite different cross culturally. These 'gender roles' have an impact on the health of the individual.

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

'man' = male sex+ masculine social role

(a 'real man', 'masculine' or 'manly')

'woman' = female sex + feminine social role

(a 'real woman', 'feminine' or 'womanly')

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

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7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago #260324 by Avalon
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I see what you mean , but there is an "about me" section too , where you can put all kinds of information you want to share about yourself

People habitually find the information they're looking for as quickly as possible and if it requires them to do more than a quick reading, they quit caring. It's a very common and widely spread human flaw.

Once upon a time (read less than an hour ago), my profile said "Gender: female" so that people could easily access it and see "this person uses the feminine pronoun". Far faster and more simplistic than "Ok, here's there about me section.... sex female... oh but here it says they use male pronouns...." blah blah blah

I can't tell you the number of people I know who are biologically one sex, but gender identify something different. "Gender" tells us how people want to be addressed, how they view themselves, and how to respect that individual as an individual. Not saying you have to agree with gender identity being different than the biological sex, but it ultimately comes down to being respectful to that individual. It's unrelated to biological sex, which is why most sites utilize gender over sex.


Does it and should it though?

Yes it does and yes it should, if purely out of respect for that individual, but I'm not going to get into that with you.

(and also my last bit of input here before the thread derails further..)

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