Light or Shadow?

"By PM if I knew them, or through circuitous route if not well..." -Jestor

Case in point, you can see it well enough to call someone out. This shows that you have the ability to teach the path, because you're willing to call someone out. It doesn't show mastery of teaching the path, per-say, but it does show that you at least have a sense of pride in what you are teaching.

Here I defend you, and you get all uppity and ...

Come on Khaos, play nice, loose the sarcasm, or we will lose you...

This isnt FA, and I will ban you for rudeness, and cockiness as anything... Mind your manners, you are a guest...

Khaos wrote:

People are just people and I don't pay attention to whatever names they aregiven (Jedi, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Bob...)

incidently referring to religion/philosophy and then trying to tie it in with a pronoun(Bob) doesnt fly.

Um, Bob, is a name that is given...

Hmm, depends on what the arguement is about really doesnt it? Is it about the Jedi? How then would that not come into account. Jedi, is more than just an individual,

Jedi represents quite a bit more than just you.

No, the Jedi is the individual, the Religion is Jediism, the Temple, which is all of us, is what we represent...

Not that im going to be the one that argues the selfishness applied here, or here.

But you are...

Did you read the other thread on being selfish? It has been posted on in the last few days, prolly just yesterday at the latest... Your thoughts on selfishness might ought to go there...

Again, no judgements on the selfishness, but, there is more than just yourself to consider, and your actions, by choosing a title that many claim, speaks for more than just you, just as it would for any group or organization. As does any other individual who acts under said name.

Most of us, when pressed, will say Jedi (KNight or whatever) by TOTJO... Unless on our home site, which we are...

Which converesely, reflects on the the group if your actions are shall we say....less than steller. So whatever quality there is....it would be more than a bit naive to think it would only be about you. And the judgements of others could hurt other Jedi.

Apparently your to busy thinking about yourself.

So are you, if you are worried that my less than stellar actions will reflect badly on you as a Jedi... (I dont know if you align yourself that way, so sorry for my presumptuousness...)

There is myriad of other examples in life to where this applies. Still, if your only gonna concern yourself with yourself and say screw everyone else, I might suggest simply joining the Sith.:evil:

What you are on the inside, you will make your outside... There is a difference between being selfish, and working on oneself... But, you may disagree...

Second time...

Khaos...that's not really how we roll here. It's quite alright to disagree with something someone has said, but to insult their intelligence is another thing entirely

What does it matter? Who am I to judge? Who are you? Lets try to be a bit less finger pointy....Ah, but thats the rub isnt it?

Quality control...Important or no?

lol, you guys have a long ways to go before you can really understand Khaosese. So let me be the first to tell you- don't take it too personally. Look at what he's saying without any tone and pick up on the points he is trying to make by looking at it as an opportunity to grow on the path.

People need to stop treating conversations as flat out attacks, and instead treat them as opportunities to either inform or become informed.

Alethea Thompson wrote: lol, you guys have a long ways to go before you can really understand Khaosese. So let me be the first to tell you- don't take it too personally. Look at what he's saying without any tone and pick up on the points he is trying to make by looking at it as an opportunity to grow on the path.

People need to stop treating conversations as flat out attacks, and instead treat them as opportunities to either inform or become informed.

Im talking style and couth... Manners...

Not rudeness....

There, I guess you found one of our quality control concerns...

Khaos, I might not have been as clear as I could have been

My point is that I wish to live my life as I enjoy it and I wish that upon everyone else

To cut short an essay on that topic I sum it up with "Do what makes you happy and harm none on the way"

I would hope that others provide me with the same graciousness

As for the arguing. What I was talking about is the fact that most people argue about the most trivial things or argue opinion as fact or argue uncompromisingly and from a position that they are not willing to change from

My point was in regards to "Do what makes you happy and harm none on the way" or at the very least "Live and let live."

What I failed to explicitly mention was that a lot of the time we argue too much about things that shouldn't bother us. We expect others to be as we are and don't like it when they aren't, but I don't think we have a right to so forceibly impose ourselves upon them

Akkarin wrote: To cut short an essay on that topic I sum it up with "Do what makes you happy and harm none on the way"

We [people as a general term] argue that homosexuality is bad and that we should punish them, I say let them be homosexual (or anything of the myriad variations of sexuality)

That is but one example to help explain the point I was trying to make

This is mostly directed at your comments Jestor, this topic sure does move fast!

I think that the TOTJO Initiate Programme does cull those who want to be Jedi. If one wishes to pursue being a Knight here, they must complete the Initiate Process. The process weeds out those who are mildly curious, and not too serious about it, do not have the patience to complete the process, or do not show the initiative to ask for help if needed.

Once Apprenticeship begins, there is a much more personalized training program. Much of the training is specifically designed for the Apprentice. A good leader must know their people. A training Master must know the Apprentice to accurately guide them.

Some people feel okay asking for help, some people are more timid or shy, introverts who need the prodding from the Master to assist them in their training. Sometimes it may not be that the Apprentice is not interested enough, it may be they are intimidated or unsure if they should be asking for the help and need the training Master to push them a little.

I agree that the self starter is probably going to get more out of it if they are actively seeking it, but sometimes people need that nudge of encouragement. Showing we care about their learning may be that little bit of interest in their well being to help them through some tough time in their life.

I am not speaking from a training Master point of view though, I have no experience as a training Master here at the Temple, but as an experienced military Leader this is essential to motivate and guide troops.

As for a Darkside of nature, I have witnessed dogs “picking” on each other, a very bully like mentality. The whole Alpha mindset of some animals can be very Darkside. Having a pecking order can be seen as “darkside”. We all know if we use the might makes right mindset in human society we would most likely consider it “Darkside”, but it happens in animal packs all the time.

Jestor wrote: "TOTJO, let the weak die off"

No, let the weakNESS die off. As a Jedi, you DEFEND the weak- you RENDER AIDE to the weak, to make them stronger thereby getting rid of their weakness little by little.

Jestor wrote: "TOTJO, doesnt offer help, so the whiners say, "no one helped me, they dont even care", and we didnt... Unless ask for, why would we?"

Because caring is how you are able to help others grow. It's how we bridge prejudices.

Jestor wrote: Whereas, if you dont ask, and I tell you anyway... Your mind may not be focused on what I have to say, and you may miss something important...

Jestor wrote: If you are not interested enough to take the steps to help yourself, then how hard am I to push?

That's the point of tact, and building rapport.

Jestor wrote: You referenced Randi Oxford earlier, did you ask for help? I guessing not, you had other things going on...

So, am I to pursue you and tell you to come back and study?

If I happen to catch a new member on the board, and they have yet to make a post, I make it a point to send them a PM welcoming them to the FA. I don't think you guys have an easy way to determine whether or not you have a new member (I've not found it at least), so I do have an advantage in that respect.

But Randi did have some activity from time to time, but little-to-no interaction from the membership. I think the most activity she got was from Br. John regarding the CoJ and ToTJO's interactions a couple of years ago. You did send me a message about the knighthood she never earned but the conversations were very brief.

There is nothing wrong with that methodology, mind you. And in fact it is one method of "cutting out the fat". I'm not in the least hurt over it.

Here I defend you, and you get all uppity and ...

Come on Khaos, play nice, loose the sarcasm, or we will lose you...

This isnt FA, and I will ban you for rudeness, and cockiness as anything... Mind your manners, you are a guest...

Then I recommend you do just that if I am to offensive. I also I did not ask you to defend me, and notice, it is not my panties in a bunch over some words on a forum. I am a guest, and I am also NOT a Jedi. However If I am too much a disruption, well, I suppose its easier to get rid of me than exame why its a disruption. Sarcasm and cockiness are easy enough excuses. Though I wont deny that I am and have been. I see no shame in it.

Perhaps show a bit more tolerance to another.... culture, as it were. Ill see what I can do about toning it down, but ban as you feel necessary. Its not sweat of my back ultimately.

People are just people and I don't pay attention to whatever names they are given (Jedi, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Bob...)


incidently referring to religion/philosophy and then trying to tie it in with a pronoun(Bob) doesnt fly.

Um, Bob, is a name that is given...

Refer to where I tied Bob into an organization and see why it doesnt fly.

Hmm, depends on what the arguement is about really doesnt it? Is it about the Jedi? How then would that not come into account. Jedi, is more than just an individual,

Jedi represents quite a bit more than just you.


No, the Jedi is the individual, the Religion is Jediism, the Temple, which is all of us, is what we represent...

Lol, so there is not accounting for the individual within the organization? Interesting arguement, but I think the results speak for themselves.

Not that im going to be the one that argues the selfishness applied here, or here.


But you are...

Lol, only within the context of your own ideals, but dont worry I know full well im not more or less a hypocrite than you. Im proud of it in fact.

Did you read the other thread on being selfish? It has been posted on in the last few days, prolly just yesterday at the latest... Your thoughts on selfishness might ought to go there...

Ill.....repost it if its relevent I guess.

Again, no judgements on the selfishness, but, there is more than just yourself to consider, and your actions, by choosing a title that many claim, speaks for more than just you, just as it would for any group or organization. As does any other individual who acts under said name.


Most of us, when pressed, will say Jedi (KNight or whatever) by TOTJO... Unless on our home site, which we are...

Theres more in taking responsibility than just naming your website/church/ or what have you. Especially withing actions of an individual effecting the group.

Which converesely, reflects on the the group if your actions are shall we say....less than steller. So whatever quality there is....it would be more than a bit naive to think it would only be about you. And the judgements of others could hurt other Jedi.

Apparently your to busy thinking about yourself.


So are you, if you are worried that my less than stellar actions will reflect badly on you as a Jedi... (I dont know if you align yourself that way, so sorry for my presumptuousness...)

No, im certainly not a Jedi, and hence, not held to the same standards.

There is myriad of other examples in life to where this applies. Still, if your only gonna concern yourself with yourself and say screw everyone else, I might suggest simply joining the Sith.


What you are on the inside, you will make your outside... There is a difference between being selfish, and working on oneself... But, you may disagree...

Whatever you need to help yourself sleep at night.

Okay khaos, here is my reply to your last post to me. Your comments on my simple call for less judgmentalism as semi clever and grade school level irked me because I have spent too long in schools, receiv ed too many degrees, professional certifications and accolades for some guy who joined the site 2 days ago to roll up in here and call a post dumb. I'm sure you didn't bother to read any of my other posts, the ones where I agonize about phrasing, terminology and structure for days before posting. No, you pick a simple statement for your unnecessary, asinine critique.

To use your own example of the military, if we were in the army and you chose to address me in that manner, you would also choose to scrub latrines for the evening. I simply don't brook that kind of intransigence, not from my son, clients and most certainly not from a guy who thinks he knows better than all of us put together.

Khaos wrote: Ill see what I can do about toning it down, but ban as you feel necessary

Thank you...

That is all Im asking for...

I have to remind our members sometimes as well... Its all good...

And you made some excellent points... I really dont like banning people...

Khaos wrote: Whatever you need to help yourself sleep at night.

I sleep wonderfully... Thank you for the sweet dreams...