A Genocide Ignored

i dont control the zulu. i only control me. from a sollipsistic point of view, i dont even care that he exists.

Star Forge wrote: We aren't going to slaughter the lot of them, just establish an all-Afrikaner republic around the cape and let the natives have the rest.

also, i find this statement disturbing. how many will you slaughter til you feel better about your own safety/superior in your morality for reasons to slaughter? im sure the zulus or whoever feel the same way: 'oh, we're just gonna kill a whole bunch of them, not all of them, and hopefully they will just leave. its okay.'

the next part is you will just 'let' natives have the rest. the very name implies that they were there first. and you dont think that perhaps they are pissed about usurpers taking their land and killing them over it? i imagine they are, using examples from my own past of cherokee here in bama and inca in my mothers home country.

'Oh-kay, I knew, eventually, someone else would bring this topic up.' Tom sighed, grateful that he didn't have to get on a soapbox as one of the few persons of color inside Jack's head.

'Well, I agree with what Desolous said.' Lu pointed out, 'Of course people are gonna lash out against the invaders who took their land, and their rights, and pretty much their culture. And, in this case, while the target victims are the minority, they aren't the OPPRESSED minority -- they're the minority the same way the 1% was the minority in the Occupy protests: All the money, all the power, and they abused it, badly. If you ask me, this is just karma.'

Jack rubbed her eyes and wondered if she was being rash in posting this after JUST waking up. Probably.

'That does not make it RIGHT.' Ken hissed through clenched teeth. Taro got between the two of them, holding up his hands, pacifyingly.

'Now, now... I'm sure what Ken-kun means to say is that, even with history being what it is, it would be wrong to discriminate against the descendants of the people who started the system. They did not actively COMMIT any of those wrongs -- they simply continued to live in the system that their ancestors created. And, really, can you BLAME them -- the point of systems is that they make it easier to live that way. And, even if you say that those descendants have a responsibility to fight the system and try to bring justice to the country, it still does not justify the killing of INNOCENT people -- the women, children, and those who have no real power to change the system.'

"Guys..." Jack moaned, massaging her temples, "Thanks for doing this discussion, especially since this little, rich, sheltered white girl that I am is probably not in any position of authority to talk about it... but could you all stop fighting long enough for me to say this: The genocide going on is wrong, because killing is always wrong."

Lu opened her mouth, supposedly to complain.

"ALWAYS. No matter the circumstances or whatever grievance they caused you -- it's still wrong."

There was an awkward silence.

"In any case, I was wondering if StarForge had any information -- real data, a good way of phrasing it, etc. that he'd want to put on the petition that I started . Whenever I tried to look up articles on what's happening, all the stuff I found was from 2004, so, I figure he might be better equipped to garner attention from this."

Sapadu wrote: "In any case, I was wondering if [strike]StarForge[/strike] Knarf had any information -- real data, a good way of phrasing it, etc. that he'd want to put on the petition that I started . Whenever I tried to look up articles on what's happening, all the stuff I found was from 2004, so, I figure he might be better equipped to garner attention from this."

Maybe this can help you out:
http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

I am not nearly as educated as perhaps some others of you are on this topic in particular but I will say this:

Killing someone out of hatred who harmed an ancestor or relative is revenge and not justice, indeed persecuting a group of people, who themselves have never done bad, is just as evil as whatever crimes were inflicted upon your ancestors

One side attacks, the other attacks back in retribution and then that side responds in kind... It gets to the point where it no longer matters who started it, only that you have been brought up to hate them and so the sad circle continues

As a reply to the direction of the discussion: I don't speak for the Afrikaners/Boere, (and neither do I consider them a monolithic group for that matter), but I can tell you for a FACT that they are not going to respond to a genocide with a genocide. Please people, enough of this talk of pacifism in the face of genocide. This is not aggression on the part of the Afrikaners, it is simply self-defense. If you look throughout history, the Boers have time and again proven themselves militarily, whether it be against the Zulus at Blood River or the British at Magersfontein, but in both circumstances, it was purely in self-defense. I hate war. You'll find nobody who is more sick of my nation's warmongering than me. However, saying that the Afrikaners should respond with non-violence is just a slap in the face. I'm peaceful, but I'm not suicidal. It is too late in the game at this point to talk of non-violence as a solution to the problems in South Africa. It was too late when the west pressured South Africa to make a massive political change practically overnight, and let the thug Mandela and his terrorist ANC take power.

There are a lot of white South African's moving in around where I live, and they now have their own grocery store to buy the local produce!! I guess the question is whether the ANC is unable to maintain security, unwilling, or actively orchestrating it?

Power is a weak man's sense of wealth. If its either of the later options then I think leaving is the best option, as some battles are better lost.

Star Forge wrote: This is not aggression on the part of the Afrikaners, it is simply self-defense.

i can almost guarantee that whoever is fighting on the other side says almost EXACTLY the same thing.

Desolous wrote:

Star Forge wrote: This is not aggression on the part of the Afrikaners, it is simply self-defense.

i can almost guarantee that whoever is fighting on the other side says almost EXACTLY the same thing.

They know full well what they are doing. Their unofficial anthem is "Kill the Boer." There's no sense in discussing the philosophy of all this. It's clearly cut out. There's a genocide, the ANC, and yes, the international Left's beloved Mandela (as well as Mugabe) is the black version of Hitler, and the Boers are going to defend themselves, whether the world cares or not. I appreciate the discussion folks, but I'm not a pseudo-philosopher, I like to talk action. As I said, I've volunteered to joined the provisional army of the Boerestaat when the time comes, and whatever happens it can never be said I stood idly by.

well, as long as your mind is closed/made up, you will do what you feel you have to do. best of luck to you.