A Genocide Ignored

well, as you said, most of us dont know about it. i consider myself to be quite learned and self aware and this is the first i have heard of it. why is that?

next, most of us here have our own hobbyhorses, causes we champion. i am involved in the occupy wall street movement. i have gone to great lengths to fight what i consider to be the undue influence of money in our modern political system here in the US. this has taken a great deal of my time, energy and money. of the rest that is not taken up by work, family, eating, the gym, gf, etc, that does not leave a lot. where does SA fit in?

one must prioritize their causes. there is only so much time and money to go around.

The simple way for me to put it is this. I ask people "If you could go back in time and stop the Holocaust, would you?" Well, this is everyone's chance.

i respect your stance. but you must understand that most of us in the states are too jaded, self centered and lazy to actually do anything about it, more than sign a petition online (if that). it simply seems so far away and ephemeral.

again, i am not downplaying it all. i have a case of genocide not so far down my own family tree whose effects have lasted to the present day for those people. i simply take a dim view of the populace at large, present company excepted.

I'm an American, a fellow Alabamian. Make no mistake, I believe your stance on the issue is just plain not good, but I commend you for being 100% honest and just saying "it's bad but not my problem" rather than acting like a revolutionary and veteran activist for simply signing a petition or putting up a Facebook status.

I guess why I care about it is because I have good friends there, and because I remember what my Irish and Scottish ancestors suffered at the hands of the English.

if you are a fellow alabamian, then you must know that people like you and i are in the vast minority here. talk to 99 other alabamians. take a poll across races, incomes and education levels. compile the responses, and then tell me how many said something like 'so what?' that will be your majority answer. that is what i meant.

I am not in that category. i have travelled by now a large portion of the world, most of it by choice, as well as searched out places like this that have 'alternative' viewpoints than those that i was raised with. my stance was not that i dont care. it was that i personally dont have the wherewithal to do anything about it. at the present moment, i barely have the wherewithal to raise my only child. times are tight. this causes myself and others to focus closer to home, you know? if i was bill gates, things would be different. but im not. i must choose carefully where i spend my time and money.

on the national level, i said in a previous post that i am no longer sure at all that violence under ANY auspices is the answer. and i am CERTAINLY unsure about the viability of diplomatic sanctions and the like. lets ask the syrians how well those are working out for them while the assad regime continues to masssacre them, you know?

I'm honestly curious...

How is anyone going to prevent another dictator from coming to power?

One that might be worse?

The people have to stand up for themselves... You can only fight for so long, for someone else, and the minute you figure you have this situation beat, and focus your attention off on the next issue, the next tyrant steps up...

How are these people going to learn to be empowered?

Sorry for wrongly evaluating you, dude. Sadly, it's not just Alabama, it's the world. I just can't stand oppression. As an extreme libertarian, I always want to fight back. I think about how my ancestors, wearing the blue paint, fought the Romans, and then the English... and then the English, and then when they came to America, they fought the British Empire (which is just England and all her conquered lands), and then the Brits again, and then the Yankees, and then the Nazis. I hate that violence must exist, but had it not been for the horrible violence at Bunker Hill, where even in defeat we heaped the redcoats high, or at Normandy, where we figured out, just like the British at Bunker Hill, that victory can suck... were it not for those battles, we'd be flying a Swastika, or acknowledging monarchs 3000 miles away. I hate it that the human condition is degenerated to the point where we have to use violence, but when it must happen, it must happen. And I have volunteered to be there, should it happen.

the human condition will stay degenerated to the point that we 'have to use violence' until we...stop using violence.

Desolous wrote: the human condition will stay degenerated to the point that we 'have to use violence' until we...stop using violence.

With all due respect, try saying that to a drugged-up Zulu with a machete or AK-47. We aren't going to slaughter the lot of them, just establish an all-Afrikaner republic around the cape and let the natives have the rest.

I have to side with Jestor here.

A couple of months ago there was a documentairy on dutch television about a group of african farmers(boeren) who were starting a small army to defend themselves against the increasing voilence of the black population against them.
They showed the story of a women who's man was brutelly killed in his own house by black men. She now lived in constant fear, in a house surroundend by camera's, barbed wires and armed people.
A prisoner in her own house.
They told dozen of other story's about voilent acts against the white population.

They showed the danger of the black neighbourhoods, inflicted in poverty, voilence and criminal activities.

And they showed a part of the training they where giving the white farmers, in order to defend themselfs.

During one of these trainings the interviewer managed to get a group of young people (age around 18) away from the older ones. He started asking them al kinds of question about the situation and what came out was a lot of white supremacist talk.

They hated black people, see them as wild animals which should be shot as soon as you see one on your land.

My point with all this is the black people act out of hatred, and now a whole generation of white farmers is grown up, learning to hate the black people for the horrific acts against them.

Who wouldn't start hating the people that killed your friends and family?

Hate, creates more hate, creates more hate....etc. It's a cycle that won't be broken by creating an all-afrikaner republic.

Create a small, rich, well armed country next to one loaded with poverty and hatred towards the new small country. What you think is going to happen?

The solution to this problem lies in the past.
When we (the dutch) left SA we should have ALL left.

Imagine the following:
A man born and raised in France, posseses 200 acres of land in his birthcountry. He inhereted this land trough his father, who inhereted it from his father. These lands are filled with fruit trees, and trough exporting his fruits his family has become filthy rich.
Then is suddenly turns out that this mans grandfather was a Nazi Officer who aquired the land during WW2 by killing the family which orginally owned it and claiming the land as his own.

Surely the man would not be killed for something his grandfather did. But alot of french people would be highly offended by this knowledge and it would be very likely the man would lose his land.


So here are your possible solutions:

1: The black population stopt hating the white farmers for something which they personally have been no part off and simply be okay with them owning the land.

2: The white farmers give away their land (to the goverment?) and possibily leave to country, or stay their and gett other/new jobs.

I don't see either of these things happening.


I think its terrible what is happening in SA altho I confess is kinda a 'ver van mijn bed show' (Dutch experession and litterly translated: A far from my bed show).

You just have two groups of people forced to live together, but they can't.

You see these kind of conflicts all over the world.