Abolish Marriage

nonsense, i think that marriage is sacred and in no way a hierarchy of any sense or however you spell that (blonde moment) marriage to the right person can be a gift of gold and should not be taken lightly in any aspect. in the old republic marriage wasnt allowed that i know of. now marriage obviously isn't viewed so harsh considering luke and mara jade.

A friend told me about this topic and well I thought to add something in that may pop a few eyes so lets see what happens.

In reality I agree with the name of this topic. I do agree with the Abolishment of Marriage, however only in regards to how it is presented today. I believe that marriage today should all be seen as a Wiccan Handfasting, meaning it is the declaration of two individuals who commit to being together and wish their friends and family to know, however when done in its pure form does not have legal standing.

If a couple wishes to be together in legal terms then they should have a civil unnion by a government representative such as a justice of the peace or other legal figured appointed to do such a service.

ideally, it would be contractual, for about a 3 year term. then, if people want to renew their marriage contracts, they do so. if not, just walk away. ever so much less mess than the current method.

I honestly can't remember if I have already said this but meh I'll say it again so people see

I personally would do away with legal marriage and just have civil partnerships

Marriage is from religion, and to be true to the ideal of the separation of church and state then we should not recognise it at all as being legally binding

This is why I would do away with marriage and leave personal/spiritual commitments between two (or more perhaps) people up to their respective and personal religious practices and churches

Instead we simply have civil partnerships which are exactly the same as what marriage is now (except it applies regardless of sexuality etc etc) but they are purely for legal recognition

If you want to then get married in the name of your religion then go ahead! But for all legal matters you should be in a civil partnership

Just to make my point clear the system would work like this:

You go off and get your civil partnership legally recognised and approved. You then have a religious and meaningful marriage ceremony based on the principles and practices of your religion to confirm your commitment religiously and personally (or doing it vice versa)

In my view there is the religious marriage and the legal marriage. Except things get confusing because they're both called marriage! lol

Hence why we make one purely religious and have no legal meaning, but make the other purely for legal and civil purposes

Three years just doesn't seem long enough for raising children or various financial projects like property development or trying to run a business. Marriage I think was 'meant' to be a long term commitment for actually quite good reasons. Long term commitments allow better pooling of resources (time, effort and money) into a single whole which can be more powerful then the two individual amounts, and wasn't the original point of marriage to create a long term union for the purpose of having a stable family unit to raise children for at least 16 years in a supportive environment, per child. Just because people fail miserably at it doesnt mean marriage is flawed, it just means their marriages were flawed... sorry if that offends anyone as I'm just talking generally.

The weak spot in marriage seems to be when people use it as a bondage of individual commitment for life long love, but I think that is getting the carriage both in front of, and before the horse. Emotions do not hold people together - people hold people together, and these emotions are the sensation of being held. Sure emotions bring people together (want of) and can hold them together at times (memory of), but relationships last only as long as both people are willing to work on keeping them together, no matter what any individual feels or whether they have a marriage certificate etc. I sound so unromantic right now.

This is a very touchy subject I think. Most places I am aware of (saying tht because obviously I haven't been everywhere) s legal licence must be obtained to get married, and the family laws of each province/state etc are in effect if the marriage is disolved, thast makes it a civil contract. Here in Ontario(I think all of Canada) same sex marriage is also legal (that is awsome as far as I am concerned).The church thing legalizes it because the Rev. has signing authority. Long gone are the days when the banns were read in the church and vows were said in the town square, and those vows were your word and that was good enough.

Some you have never heard of an old comedian George Burns and his dear wife Gracey, they were married 75 years(maybe more) in his words "the trick was to never fall out of love on the same day."

I have been married 30 years (he was deployed, on course, or tasked, for ten of those years) but still. Marriage is hard work. It is not all moonlight and roses, but those times are nice too.
I don't think a legal piece of paper is what has kept us together or saying our vows before GOD. Can't for the life of me figure why we are together:laugh: ...oh yeah he makes me laugh, I like his company and the fact that he does dumb stuff sometimes...I can let that go. Oh, and I do really dumb stuff sometimes so I guess he lets that go.

Akkarin

I just read your posts and it is funny I think we have the same exact view.

Dude, I started a fartfest....

But yeah, I pretty much agree with Akkarin. Abolishing marriage would keep the church and state separate in more way than one, and would solve the question of gay marriage in a way that I think would satisfy most people on either side of the argument.

i just wanna add that today what we know as marriage didnt start till about the 1600's if i remeber the dates right untill then ou just took a wife and claimed her today marriage is about money for the state it coast to get a marriage licesense