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Official Notice of Resignation
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I will miss you... I also wanted to say Thank You for speaking your peace on the truth of things!!
Best Wishes always,
Patty
MTFBWYAAF
Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn. Benjamin Franklin
Let the improvement of yourself keep you so busy that you have no time to criticize others. Roy T. Bennett, The Light in the Heart
Participated in the making of the book, “The Jedi Compass”with 2 articles.
For today I serve so that tomorrow I may serve again. One step, One Vow, One Moment... Too always remember it is not about me... Master Neaj Pa Bol
Faith is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes can see...
Faith is a journey, not a guilt trip...
Quiet your emotions to find inner peace. Learn from ignorance to foster knowledge.
Enjoy your passions but be immersed in serenity. Understand the chaos to see the harmony.
Life and death is to be one with the Force.
Apprentice's: Master Zanthan Storm, Jaxxy (Master Rachat et Espoir (Bridgette Barker))
Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Tellahane,
I’m sorry to see that your training here has failed you so completely... OTHER STUFF ... My only advice to you at this point is to not let the door hit you on the way out. Thanks for your time and dedicated service and that door will always be open should you decide to return.
Kyrin - It's no secret that you and Tellahane clashed a lot. Heck, he and I did too. It is also no secret that you believe in challenging people and that you expect them to take personal responsibility for their successes and failures. There is a time and place for this wisdom, but this isn't it. I don't think he needed to place blame on others on his way out, but he shared hi honest opinions. He is taking responsibility for his life and has decided to leave something I know he once cared a lot about. He may have stumbled along the way, but his intentions were good.
Most of this post feels like a backhanded attempt at firing the last shot of a personal battle you have had with him. Specifically the dig at his training. You're better than this, Kyrin. Let him go in peace and focus on your next steps instead. I don't want to stifle you or silence you, and I still support your desire to question authority and point out injustices. Let's just find a more productive way to do it rather than making it personal. I'll continue to stand by you, but you gotta help me out here

I have nothing personally against tellahane, that's not what this is about. I enjoyed our bouts. But I dissagree with you that this is not the place or time for this for one reason, the very fact you state, that in his departure he chose to fire that last shot, not across the bow but right into the bow of the membership. Had he not done that I would have left this alone, but he did not. He chose to vilify the membership and saint the staff. None of these interpretations are accurate in the slightest and they lack class and personal dignity. In effect they are petty.
You are right that my comment is a return volley but not a backhanded one. It is one in which I hope he sees the error of his ways. He was a staunch advocate for better training in an idealised reality of perfection he created in his mind about this temple. And in this he refused to see the actual truth of that reality, one being that these ideals he held to others are not practical in the least because we are not movie characters. We are real flesh and blood people with flaws and desires and attachments that we take an entire lifetime to work through.
In the end tellehane succumbed to the very thing he despised in others. It was his idealised sense of attachment to this place that destroyed him.
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Tellahane wrote: To the Temple of The Jedi Order,
I've been here a few years now, started as a guest, registered as a member. I spent time like most of you at that point arguing about what Jediism is, what it should be, what the temple should be and so on. After listening to some advice I decided to go through the IP. During of which I learned of quite a few things about myself but also some better perceptions of the world. I started down the road of attempting my first meditations, and many failures leading up to actually having one. I started to better connect with my envrionment, had a few eureka's and epiphanies about life, had a whole new perception of the world around me, and what some of us might call the "force". Mostly it was the start of a path for myself, a big change.
I finished the IP, and found a good connection with one of my graders and started an apprenticeship. We learned quite a bit from each other, challenged some of my ideals and views, grew to further think outside the box on things, and learned to better be open minded and understanding. Focused a lot on the Tao side of things and how those lessons can be applied to Jediism, how we should behave as Jedi and what our goals in life should be. Even wrote a fairly nice document per those who have read it. From there and getting into a regular meditation cycle I became quite the pupil, made it through my knighthood interview and into a knight rank.
That's when It started to go down hill. There was some discussions in apprenticeship during my time there but they were limited, but getting into knighthood and starting to see all the work that needs done behind the doors, the discussions that ensue, some of the debates that go on, was almost un-real. As any eager knight though you try and jump in and see where you can help out. One of my life long skills of being a programmer fell into the mix and eventually I Started helping out with the website, after a bit of trust was gained. That and some of my perspectives on things also landed me a spot on the council when it chose to expand. When I got to actually see EVERYTHING that goes on behind all doors, and how much work is being done by volunteers it got even more amazing to see how things came to be.
But that only made things worse.
My time spent at the temple at one point used to be spiritual, I was here to learn from those who walked the path before me, I respected them, I took what they said on the merit that they knew more about this then I did, even if I didn't understand it at the time, or even agreed. Eventually I learned most of that was true, I just needed to have a bit of faith, and let things run their course and trust that they were leading me in the right direction.
I would come to this temple for peace, some serenity, occasional drama but never like it has been recently. I think my favorite time frame was spent as a Novice here honestly, apprenticeship was great too but drama started to rear its head in towards the end, in relation to some of the big issues with members at the time frame.
Now that I sit on council I've seen quite a bit. I see members who don't get to spend a lot of time in the forums working the hardest behind closed doors tracking IP students, grading IP journals, reviewing knighthood candidates, membership applications, long lists of moderation reports, monitoring of chats and community, watching over communications with minors, doing site backups/fixes/upgrades, managing groups, coordinating public chats, sermons, private outreach. over a hundred hours a week is put into this temple by council and other volunteer knights combined, all voluntairly.
It's also this same group of people that seemed to be attacked the most, complained against the most, have assumptions made against the most. These volunteers who spend hours upon hours taking care of the plumbing all of you take for granted. That some of you disprespect, that some of you feel "entitled" to have regardless. Hour spent away from familes, hours spent away from personal time, hours spent away from helping others, all for you, to get treated the way some of us have is beyond wrong. Yet you seem not to care(some of you).
I used to come to this temple for spiritual peace, anymore I come to this temple to deal stress, stressful situations, uncessairy situations, blown out of proportion situations. It's unbelievable the things that get complained about on here. We hang on each others words looking for reasons to personally attack each other. We take absence of words as assumed positions or attacks as well. We make big deals out of situations that aren't actual situations, we call for votes and accountability on things that didn't actually happen. Hell we have even made changes to the forums based on these situations which is even worse.
You talk about corruption of council, the only thing I've seen is this council hell bent on trying to meet every one of your demands, while getting attacked constantly in the process. Half of the discussions are spent on how to deal with "Jedi" attacking each other, which should NEVER HAPPEN. People running around claiming the title but not actually following it.
Coming here is stress, managing here is stress, and its all for unnecesairy BS. Seriously the things you guys come up with sometimes is just insane. To the point several council have had to go on 2-5 day breaks at a time to just step away its so infuriating but at the same time still come back and try to accomidate for some reason. The council is so deathly afraid to try and say no or discipline or tell someone they are out of line because everytime they do theres someone else to backlash it in their faces for whatever reason. The millenial snowflake syndrome has made it into the temple as well and its just rediculous from my point of view.
There are people dieing out there, dieing from starvation, sickness, poor living conditions...and we are having arguments and debates about whether someone has the right to say certain words to another person. Some of you have all lost perspective on why you are here, and what it means to be a Jedi. Most importantly I did after having to try and shovel the crap around here in council.
I spent quite a few days this week and last staying away from the temple, and stress was down, life was better, and I got to remind myself whats actually important in life, and how trivial and pathetic some of the complaints and other issues that are so heavily focused on around here are.
It's this recent realization that I've decided this is not the place for me to be. I can do far greater good not at this temple but out in my neighborhoods, my towns, my county, then I can ever do here. Not while this remains the norm, and since the majority of people here seem to prefer the "lifestyle", it's not my place to change it, so don't bother with those speeches. Change doesn't require others, it requires yourselves, and in this case the majority.
As of this post I'm officially resigning my position on council, to be filled as the council votes to see fit, if needed I'm leaving my voting position to Rosalyn, as I feel she best understands my perspectives and interests that were on the temple, until they place an interim or replacement council position.
I am also resigning from assistant sys admin role, so that I can focus more of my time on matters of importance, and actually do some good where it needs to be done.
I am also resigning from the title of Knight at this temple, I'm no teaching master, but I don't believe a portion of the knights here are either, I feel like too many have been brought in based off a need of volunteers and a need to not feel terrible about leaving novices hang out there, this has caused more apprenticeships and knighthoods of people who aren't getting trained at the quality I believe was originally intended. Since there is a lack of a standard it just leads to a slippery slope that has continued to fall. But again thats only personal opinion.
Following all that I also am resigning from general membership of the temple as well. While I believe in its doctrine, the fact the teachings aren't enforced, or even required anymore out of a desire to feel numbers, I no longer feel that this temple is a temple I "belong to". I will still continue on the path set before me, I still believe in the force, and want to regain the strong spiritual connection I used to have to it. In order to do that I need to strip myself of all this unnecessairy drama and get back to whats important in life.
I started out great in this temple, and I am grateful for all the experiences I learned and got to share while I was here, but all the corruption in my life recently and stress and other issues was caused by the temple, not by the council not by the higher ups but ultimately by the members. I know some of you will be upset at this, others will deem this mission accomplished, in either case I don't care really to be honest. But I need to focus on me, You can't take care of someone else if you can't take care of yourself first. There are too many terribly chosen priorities here and for all the talk about corruption it starts with the members and works its way up, not the other way around. Those in council despite what everyone has said have been the most dedicated group I know to be out there trying to keep everyone happy while getting shit on every waking moment of it, and they don't deserve it, any of it.
All that being said, thank you for your time, your patience, and your experiences, thank you for all the fish!
The force will be with you, always
-Tom, AKA Tellahane
Now that I sit on council I've seen quite a bit. I see members who don't get to spend a lot of time in the forums working the hardest behind closed doors tracking IP students, grading IP journals, reviewing knighthood candidates, membership applications, long lists of moderation reports, monitoring of chats and community, watching over communications with minors, doing site backups/fixes/upgrades, managing groups, coordinating public chats, sermons, private outreach. over a hundred hours a week is put into this temple by council and other volunteer knights combined, all voluntairly.
It's also this same group of people that seemed to be attacked the most, complained against the most, have assumptions made against the most. These volunteers who spend hours upon hours taking care of the plumbing all of you take for granted. That some of you disprespect, that some of you feel "entitled" to have regardless. Hour spent away from familes, hours spent away from personal time, hours spent away from helping others, all for you, to get treated the way some of us have is beyond wrong. Yet you seem not to care(some of you).
I used to come to this temple for spiritual peace, anymore I come to this temple to deal stress, stressful situations, uncessairy situations, blown out of proportion situations. It's unbelievable the things that get complained about on here. We hang on each others words looking for reasons to personally attack each other. We take absence of words as assumed positions or attacks as well. We make big deals out of situations that aren't actual situations, we call for votes and accountability on things that didn't actually happen. Hell we have even made changes to the forums based on these situations which is even worse.
You talk about corruption of council, the only thing I've seen is this council hell bent on trying to meet every one of your demands, while getting attacked constantly in the process.
This part was awesome and i want to focus on it for a minute. Ive said this many times and i will probably say it many more.. if you want to be happy, stay the hell out of everyone elses business. Speak your own truth but accept the fact that the world is flawed, people are flawed, this website is flawed, do your best to be a good person and let go of the need for everyone else to be YOUR DEFINITION of good. But many of the people here cry and whine and get their feelings hurt, and stay resentful over the most petty, absurd bullshit lol.
Now, if the above had been the whole of the message i would be 100% supportive of what youve said. I was wondering as i read, why you havent been public about this part of it before. If you had come out and said "this is how i feel" then id be supportive of your honest feedback, even if i werent in full agreement with your conclusions. But to go on and bombshell that youre totally resigning from the entire Temple just seems....petty, and somewhat manipulative to me. Like its a "that'll show em" kind of tactic.
Lets be real, from DAY ONE youve been one of the- or THE most restrictive person here in terms of demanding other people live up to your expectations. Its not like this is new lol its the same things you were saying two years ago...people dont behave...people here arent being REAL Jedi.....the rules arent strict enough...the rules arent enforced enough"... same old story, same old song and dance my friend. For all your talk of growing up and seeing the world with new eyes, i dont hear anything new from you on this particular issue. I agree with what you said about people giving the council a hard time.. i diagree whole heartedly with your RENEWED efforts at tightening the proverbial fist lol
Half of the discussions are spent on how to deal with "Jedi" attacking each other, which should NEVER HAPPEN. People running around claiming the title but not actually following it.
Claiming the title but not following it....well thats your opinion. I think that your butthole is puckered way too tight to be a real Jedi...imo no REAL Jedi would be uptight enough to expect everybody to be rainbows and butterscotch all the time. Nor
would a REAL Jedi be so emotionally dependent upon external events that it would knock them out of their own sense of well being when other people were emotional. A REAL Jedi knows how to retain his or her own emotional balance even when other people lose theirs. Which of us is right? LOL--its a matter of opinion, and imo my opinion is the better opinion.
If half of the discussions are spent on the topic of "how to deal with Jedi attacking each other" then maybe those discussions should be made public, as they obviously arent being effectively resolved in private.
I know some of you will be upset at this, others will deem this mission accomplished, in either case I don't care really to be honest. But I need to focus on me,
Based on your advocacy of strict and strictly enforced rules of politeness, ive always seen you as being basically an authoritarian type of person. Someone who wants to make courtesy and good taste into law, and would have people punished for having bad attitudes. It was never my hope (much less "mission") for you to give up on TOTJO, my hope was that youd learn how to loosen up a little bit and accept that people arent going to be th way you think they should be.. Im not happy that youre leaving. Actually im saddened by it because i think everyone has their part to play in making this community...but on the other hand, the way youre doing it seems shady. Emotionally compelling ploy to get what youve always been pressuring to get, which is stricter rules and enforcement of the rules. Judging by Senans response in the other thread, if anyones mission was accomplished, id say it was yours lol
I do sincerely wish you the best. I cant say thank you for your unwaivering deciation to the Temple, but i do thank you for your time and effort as a volunteer. And i thank you for the parts of this message that i agree with, particularly that people should get off the councils ass, stop obsessing over what everyone (or anyone) else is doing here, and be truly focused on their own, personal self improvement.
People are complicated.
Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
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Rosalyn J wrote: I'd like to get this back to wishing tellahane well. This is not a thread to say whether he was right or wrong. He's gone. We do not need to kick him on his way out
If you want to get back to wishing him well then go ahead and wish him well, Im not stopping you. You are free to use your words however you see fit, as am i. How many times are we going o have this conversation? I dont want to be rude to you or hurt your feelings Rosalyn but i also dont care that you dont approve of what i have to say. Its not your place to decide what words i use, so stop trying.
And why is it your decision what this thread is for? He is OP and he is, as you say, gone (though im sure he is aware of the conversation). His method of leaving was pretty....inspiring, lets just say. So i am voicing the reaction that he inspired in me. Should i have made a whole new thread for that? Why? Maybe i should have, im willing to listen if youre willing to explain it.
I did wish him well. Sincerely. And i didnt kick him (certainly not any more than he kicked lol) though i accept the fact that you see it that way. Im sorry that you do, but thats your perception. In any event, I said what i wanted to say and i have nothing else to say in this thread, except to respond to anyone who speaks to me or of me.
People are complicated.
Rosalyn J wrote: I'd like to get this back to wishing tellahane well. This is not a thread to say whether he was right or wrong. He's gone. We do not need to kick him on his way out
I could have sworn this was a resignation thread, not a well wishing thread.
I hear what you both are saying, Kyrin and Obi. We should all be held to the same standards and that includes the contents of the original post. What I’m really looking for is an honest conversation without too much emotion. We should be able to consider what we can learn from Tellahane’s experience and our own interactions with him in order to inform how we act toward one another in the future.
Addition: Let’s also consider that some people are trying to move forward in a productive manner, specifically our Pastor, Rosalyn. You can disagree with her opinion of Tellahane or the treatment he deserves, but she has earned her position and deserves the respect that comes with it. Please get back to discussing the ideas and not criticizing an individual.