Word battle: Temple VS church

Why not get rid of the tagline altogether? Does it serve some special SEO purpose? Or is it take the "mystical edge" off of the implications of "Order" (as in mystical cult) or "Temple" (as in Temple of Doom)?

Maybe change it to "Worldwide Jedi Organization"? We would have to amend that once we start making alien friends, though.

I find it interesting that, based on my quick skimming just now, a portion of the respondents feel that:

Church = being told what to think / duty / chore
Temple = place of learning

Another portion of respondents feel the exact opposite:

Church = place of learning
Temple = place of duty


Looking back over time, each has been used for both, amongst the various denominations and ancient religions. But yes, "church" is usually perceived as being Christian in nature.


As for removing the tagline, I believe John was saying in the other thread that it's there for search engine purposes to help people find TOTJO easier when they don't know what TOTJO is or that it even exists yet.

Avalonslight wrote: As for removing the tagline, I believe John was saying in the other thread that it's there for search engine purposes to help people find TOTJO easier when they don't know what TOTJO is or that it even exists yet.

In what context? Simply google Jediism and our symbol is usually the first thing one sees, quickly followed by our site...


We certainly don't need the word "church" in the tagline to explain what we're about, the title alone (not to mention the home page) should explain that rather easily I should think. The tagline is a tad bit overkill imo...

Hey I was just passing along what was said in the other thread, which is that it has to do with search engines.

These sorts of web CMS sites used to always use things like 'site description' to populate the meta tags of pages - so search engines could work better with them, and by default would often be used as a tagline under the 'site title' in the standard out of the box get started page layout. But whether they actually showed up or not at the site in the layout depended on whether the site developer bothered to change the template, or customize it.

The real power in some CMS sites is as a basis for customization rather then just running as is. But customization means every time there is a security or version update, the process needs to be managed to integrate the customization (most usually after the update is installed) - this can take awhile (days or months). Meaning the site looks different for awhile until it can be bought back. The site dev would know about all the little things, but each one needs to be done one at a time often, and the order things get done is up to the dev to decide what is more important.

I do not know how this one works, but often these things are built on the bones of older versions and inherit some of the old bits as software developers focus on things which don't work, rather then the stuff which does - so it wouldn't surprise me that tagline appeared because the site update reset the old templates. But it wouldn't surprise me if I was wrong either

What works best for search engines is broad yet accurate keywords, not a most accurate succinct sentence IMO.

If I was right, then the options could be;
1. to keep the 'site description' as a field to use the most useful wording to 'keep' us relevant to search engines, including things like church, but use some other text as a subheading at the site to better suit our identity.
2. to remove it entirely and save vertical space.
3. compromise and change the 'site description'' to better suit our identity at the risk of reducing our relevance to search engines.
4. other options always exist

3. compromise and change the 'site description'' to better suit our identity at the risk of reducing our relevance to search engines.

I really don't think this is an issue, we get hundreds of people joining all the time. People find us perfectly ok without the tagline.
When a star wars film is released hundreds turns to thousands.

I think we're pretty safe on the 'finding members through search engines' front.

My vote would be to get rid of the tagline entirely.. our name explains what we are perfectly fine.

I agree its not needed. However from what I recall using Joomla....such things could just be put on invisible. Now a days taglines aren't discriptions but just key words. Jedi, jediism, church, religion, philosophy.....ect ect and they are always in hidden in the background.

Based on what I've seen posted by some, it would seem that the tagline has always been there, just made hidden by whatever version we were using at the time, and the most recent update brought it out to be visible. I certainly can't imagine it was just arbitrarily added recently, though I suppose it could have been. Thus it could be the "finding the site via search engines" has always been affected by it and the way search engines run, and removing it entirely would indeed affect though results after time. It could also be that under whatever our newest update has been, it can no longer be hidden away. I've run Tino this being the case various times with other systems I've used. I think the best people to make that determination are the ones with the access to the back end to stuff and that's a very limited population.

Wanna have some fun? https://archive.org/web/

Here we are almost a year ago to the day. https://web.archive.org/web/20160729195946/https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/

I MISSS that warm brown background. Ugh. So beautiful to me.