Gray Jedi

All colors mix to grey. We all have dark thoughts, we all do things without proper focus sometimes, not a single human can say they are perfect. The thing is, and I used to believe I was very much a grey Jedi in that I considered many thing in what I would call a darker form of thought. However, I have come to believe that there is in action no grey. So, I suppose in thought you may label yourself according to your creed what you wish but if you are acting on an emotion you consider a product of dark thoughts in dark ways than you are simply Sith. If you act in accordance with the teachings here and in kindness, righteousness, and true contemplation then you are Jedi. We all have thought, emotion and situations in which grey areas exists but action and inaction do not. On a side note I believe the balance must exist, but we must understand that it already does our influence on the balance of the Force and universe is minimal at best.

Don't fear your dark thought or seek recognition of a label, instead look to understand the thought, and the need for recognition of the label, that will set you more free than anything. Your mind is your own, the label you place on yourself is your own, your actions are that of the universes. Live within the Force as you see fit and you'll find what you are.

I mean, I'm known for taking coffee breaks in the middle of a discussion at work to give me time to cool down. I won't let myself come back into a conversation until I'm a quarter of the way through the mug. It's a great tool to force some calmness in a chaotic situation.

Nakis wrote: I mean, I'm known for taking coffee breaks in the middle of a discussion at work to give me time to cool down. I won't let myself come back into a conversation until I'm a quarter of the way through the mug. It's a great tool to force some calmness in a chaotic situation.

Exactly.

Emotion, yet Coffee.

I am a gray and there for I must leave this site and forgo my training goodbye

JosephGray wrote: I am a gray and there for I must leave this site and forgo my training goodbye

@JosephGray

Why do you feel you must leave this site because you are Grey? It seems like a very extreme reaction.

EDIT: Aaaaanndd he's gone. :c and unfortunatly brash move, I do hope he comes back.

I feel I am a Grey as well, Joseph. I still feel it necessary to finish your initiate program because you will learn a lot more about the Jedi and you can change into that. I came here to learn and become the best I can be through the force. I pray and hope the same thing for you, Joseph. May the Force guide you and be with you!

Joseph there is no reason to leave. There is a lot to learn here and defining yourself as grey is by no means a bad thing if that is something you took from my reply. My view has changed, however, that does not in any way mean it is correct nor is anyone in particular on this site's. It is a way of balance. I read the code of the grey that you posted and I must admit there are many things I agree. As I said before you live how the force may guide you, in my opinion and senses I see a great need for good at the moment to begin to again re-balance the force within the human race. I will not however, claim to believe that my influence has that ability but it will not stop me from doing the small things of which i find maybe good. So, at this very moment I would not consider myself grey. If we look to the myth behind Jediism we should see that the balance you seek is that of a councilor, you look to learn the objective path, that of understanding action and inaction, balance of color among an entire spectrum. I urge you not to leave, but to learn with an open mind there are many of us here whom are more than willing to speak with you in the terms of your perspective and share ours; that's all this is about finding our paths through and walking them through action; no one can tell you what your is or how to label it but when asked people will answer from their perspectives. I hope you stick around. It would be an honor to learn more of your perspective.

There are no rules on TOTJO, nor a teaching of Jediism, which speak against identifying one self with the label of Gray Jedi.

Nor are there any rules or teachings that speak against studying both the path of the Jedi and the path of the Sith, many do it, and find no problem in taking the good parts of both and mixing them freely to one's own liking. Jedi, on TOTJO included, seldom follow the teachings of the path they follow to the letter, the same goes for the Sith of Sith forums or orders. We are all imperfect, none of us are a perfect Jedi or a perfect Sith, because we are all humans.

I would like you to consider the following excerpt

Outside of mind,
thoughts do not exist;
so why cling to that which is clearly unreal?

Thoughts are the subjective commentary of the false self,
a fictional story conceived by a fictional character;
a dream within dream—but neither are real.

As this excerpt states, thoughts do not exist outside of your mind, and thus there is no point in clinging to them. And there is even less point in trying to label them as either dark or light.

Your thoughts, and even your feelings, do not make you more or less of a Jedi. Being a Jedi is more about choosing not to act on your feelings or thoughts, with other words, being a Jedi is more about how you act, and less about what is in your head.

Being Sith on the other hand, is less about choosing to not act on your emotions, but allowing them to be a source for energy and strength (or power, if you want to call it that). The Sith, as same as the Jedi, do not allow their emotions to flow freely without the individual being in control of them (self control), although Sith do allow their emotions to flow more freely than the Jedi do, they are in control of them. And instead of choosing one emotion over the other, Sith generally embrace and welcome each emotion as it comes, and chooses whether or not they wish to use it to their advantage or store it's energy for later use, allowing it to grow within.

But Jedi and Sith are both just different sides of the same coin, and thus you should not place too much time in being caught up in choosing one over the other. Feel both paths for your self, immerse your self in both, speak with practitioners of both and get a good understanding of the possible hierarchies, the philosophy and the people involved in both of the philosophies, and then make a choice.

But remember to take your time, because even if people may shade away to the pass of time, the force always remains

I hope I could be of some assistance

In my opinion, this is another subject in which we need to simply embrace SW as a foundation for these definitions.

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition.

- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi

I think this is a good enough definition for what it says as well as what it doesn't. According to this a gray Jedi isn't a Jedi who is having a bad day. It doesn't describe a Jedi who has a temper. The Jedi order wasn't an army of saints who never felt anything. They were about discipline and learning (which implies a journey) how to control their powers, including their emotions. It's not about what you feel, but about how you react/respond to those feelings. If you want to have that control then you're a Jedi. If you don't give a $#!% then you're more gray and if you want to be out of control and lash out then you're a Sith. In each respect the outcome is purposeful and deliberate. Using the dark side isn't the same thing as having dark thoughts. It's what you do with those thoughts and what kind of action they inspire you to do.

While I'm not against people doing their own thing I think the confusion isn't helpful.

ZealotX wrote: If you want to be out of control and lash out then you're a Sith.

No. If you want to follow the philosophy and/or religion of the Sith, then you are a Sith. Otherwise you are just a human with bad control over your emotions and your temper