Voting for a Jediism section on there.

Adder wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote: http://gatheredforcecommunity.com/index.php/47-archivists-office/191-the-force-a-history-2

Link didn't work for me. I had not logged in, so that might be it.

Hrmm....it should be public....SHOULD...mind....let me know if Br. Johns works or not.

Br. John wrote: Hang in there Kit. The right way will prevail. And the wrong - very wrong - way is to cede your group to Facebook. If you and your members are not good enough to have your own site, under your own control, without contributing your privacy and personal information to the inherently arguably evil Facebook ... I better not say it out loud. It's Thanksgiving and children might be listening.

The Order has a page there - but only to let people know we're here at http://TempleOfTheJediOrder.org .

In the long run Kit most everyone will see how right you are. (How right we are.)

Eh. At this point right or wrong...I'll just speak the facts as I know them. If folks choose to not listen or assume the worst in me for it...I guess that's just the way its got to be. I am tired of defending it. All my work is there on GFC, as long as my web host chooses to leave it there....It's not going anywhere Those determined enough will look, research, and study will find plenty of knowledge there. (And growing as people choose to submit work to it.)

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Adder wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote: http://gatheredforcecommunity.com/index.php/47-archivists-office/191-the-force-a-history-2

Link didn't work for me. I had not logged in, so that might be it.

Hrmm....it should be public....SHOULD...mind....let me know if Br. Johns works or not.

Yup, it did w/o being logged in so I must not know how to copy and paste :lol:

Adder wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Adder wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote: http://gatheredforcecommunity.com/index.php/47-archivists-office/191-the-force-a-history-2

Link didn't work for me. I had not logged in, so that might be it.

Hrmm....it should be public....SHOULD...mind....let me know if Br. Johns works or not.

Yup, it did w/o being logged in so I must not know how to copy and paste :lol:

haha! Well let me know what you think of the article And if there is anything to add/edit into it for TOTJO (or other sites) let me know!! Like I said...it is very rough draft due to how much content there is....but work in progress.

Kitsu Tails wrote:

McNulty wrote:

Connor L. wrote:

McNulty wrote: My somewhat limited understanding is that TOTJO is the main organization. Are there one or two other key "competing" groups, or is TOTJO basically the only legitimate group on the map?

Could I ask you why you think this is?

There's a distinct lack of written history on this order and others

That is actually not entirely accurate I have written quite extensively on the history (Though it is not yet complete due to how much history there is to wade through) :: http://gatheredforcecommunity.com/index.php/47-archivists-office/191-the-force-a-history-2

......and Others have discussed it as well. If you type "Jedi Living" into Youtube you will find the blogger that discusses the history as well.

The reason why the Jedi Community dosn't have as good of a web base as TOTJO has is mainly due to Facebook. Once Facebook came out...everyone Migrated there. Forums are a thing of the past these days. Though some of us do still try to establish proper web and offline mediums. Just have to do your research

Just my opinion, but most Jedi groups are not about self improvement, nor helping others improve...

Some are, we (TOTJO) are, but not all are...

Facebook is a joke, and any thing on it is too...

It is a tool... It allows for little actual improvement (self or otherwise)... And allows for a whole bunch of bickering, and less positive movement than the 'less serious' websites..

Again, in my thinking, it is why the surviving sites are still forums...

It is very unlikely that anything 'fruitful', or beneficial will come from Facebook...

But, time will tell...

As for the Jedi history, there are some versions out there...

This is not aimed at Kitsu, lol, I was just thinking while reading....

I often wonder how "uncolored" the accounts are...

I've seen some bickering over "this" and "that" parts of the history, lol...

Lol, then I remember why I disliked history so much in school, its always colored... lol...

"History is written by the winners", they say.. Maybe the "survivors", lol...

I (and others, lol) have pestered Br. John for a history of TOTJO, and there is a partial around here somewhere... As our founder, we were looking for his version...

But, I quit pestering him, because a Jedi lives in the present...

Now, we do have to have an eye on the past, and an eye on the future, our attention is in the NOW...

We (the Jedi community) have had our ups and downs, good times and bad....

I'm more concerned on where we are going, than where we've been...

SHOOT!!!

Thanks Kitsu!

Sorry all, I locked the thread, because instead of clicking "reply", I clicked "delete topic" and wanted to restore it all before allowing posts...

So, I restored a post, locked it, then restored the rest, then posted the last post...

And forgot to unlock it for others!!

I'm such a goof!

Thanks Kitsu for the PM letting me know...

It is unlocked...

haha! I thought something was off You gave no reason for the thread to be locked Accidents happen Now lets see...

Just my opinion, but most Jedi groups are not about self improvement, nor helping others improve...

Not anymore no.... Coz you know....That takes work and stuff. Most Jedi these days are too busy for Jedi stuff....just like to call themselves Jedi anyways.

Facebook is a joke, and any thing on it is too...

When Facebook came out. It was actually the thing we needed to bring the Communities together. Back then there were so many forums and you had to keep track of all your accounts on the different forums....it made everything loyalty based and devided. When Facebook came around everything was brought together in a simple news feed. In fact....I was trying to develop a Facebook before Facebook even came out. I just didn't have the web tech skills for it...

Sadly over the years everything has become so inclusive people have no idea which way is up, down or sideways and no one has any conviction to stick to a thing. Now everyone can be a Jedi Master and a Jedi Master can do everything including not being Jedi because....Jedi Master.

It is a tool... It allows for little actual improvement (self or otherwise)

Yes and no. Just Jedi uses facebook as it's main (because it has so few members) And I believe I have managed to use it towards educative self improvement quite well. (Not to boast) The problem is...People don't put in any kind of effort anymore. Thats all it took for Just Jedi. Effort and a direct goal and purpose.

Again, in my thinking, it is why the surviving sites are still forums...

I wish that were true....Not like it used to be anyways.

As for the Jedi history, there are some versions out there...

This is not aimed at Kitsu, lol, I was just thinking while reading....

I often wonder how "uncolored" the accounts are...

Heh....why do you think mine is still a rough draft and not done? I am trying to be as un-biased as possible. Which is hard when all of your sources are either extremely biased or refuse to talk. (narrows eyes playfully at Br, John.) Or are completely deleted from the web like Jediism.org.....force I miss that site.

I (and others, lol) have pestered Br. John for a history of TOTJO, and there is a partial around here somewhere... As our founder, we were looking for his version...

I still pester him.... :whistle:

We (the Jedi community) have had our ups and downs, good times and bad....

I'm more concerned on where we are going, than where we've been...

For me....It helps to know where we have been so as not to make the same mistakes going forward. Devoting attention to the past history for an hour or two is no different then reading and studying philosophy or even meditation It is just a matter of preference. For me. Working on GFC / Just Jedi and researching history is a kind of meditation. It inspires me and gives me new things to consider.

From the old rises the new

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Facebook is a joke, and any thing on it is too...

When Facebook came out. It was actually the thing we needed to bring the Communities together. Back then there were so many forums and you had to keep track of all your accounts on the different forums....it made everything loyalty based and devided. When Facebook came around everything was brought together in a simple news feed. In fact....I was trying to develop a Facebook before Facebook even came out. I just didn't have the web tech skills for it...

Sadly over the years everything has become so inclusive people have no idea which way is up, down or sideways and no one has any conviction to stick to a thing. Now everyone can be a Jedi Master and a Jedi Master can do everything including not being Jedi because....Jedi Master.

Sentient life does seem to prefer the "easy way", lol...

Although "life" doesn't care about easy/hard, sentient life likes to conserve energy... lol...

And, that turns into "little effort", unfortunately...

Facebook just made it easier to talk, and not be "responsible"...

That is how I envision the sites with little structure... Some folks need the goal to strive for, some don't...

Some say "who are you to set the goal?"

And I agree...

So, I reached the goal set by my predecessors, and helped make the goal "better", more refined, more directed...

So that i have something to reach for, lol...

Kitsu wrote:

It is a tool... It allows for little actual improvement (self or otherwise)

Yes and no. Just Jedi uses facebook as it's main (because it has so few members) And I believe I have managed to use it towards educative self improvement quite well. (Not to boast) The problem is...People don't put in any kind of effort anymore. Thats all it took for Just Jedi. Effort and a direct goal and purpose.

And, I'm sure its great...

However, when/if it grows, you will probably not be anle to keep it on Facebook..

No room/way for the systems/files that a forum allows for...

Growth on Facebook is limited... Real growth... Hell, anyone can get "likes", lol....

Again, in my thinking, it is why the surviving sites are still forums...

I wish that were true....Not like it used to be anyways.

It is true...

Survival of the fittest..

Despite TOTJO being a "black sheep" in the community, who survives?

Comments run the gamut, about why "this place/site was good/better"...

As I said in another thread, TOTJO will close, when something better comes...

I don't see that happening for a long while...

Just chatting...

Jestor wrote: And, I'm sure its great...

However, when/if it grows, you will probably not be anle to keep it on Facebook..

No room/way for the systems/files that a forum allows for...

Growth on Facebook is limited... Real growth... Hell, anyone can get "likes", lol....[/color]

Oh, Completely true! Which is why I started GFC lol (That no one uses)

I am just saying that it CAN be used for Self Improving / Educative purposes if one simply put the effort into it. It may not be good for extensive community socialism. But it has worked really well so far with a bit of creativity

Jestor wrote: As I said in another thread, TOTJO will close, when something better comes...

I'm not positive that is true. I don't know why... I wrote out a big thing, then I thought it was stupid. haha. But, I don't think that's true.