Legalization of Medical and Recreational Cannabis

You are 100% correct when you say that alcohol and tobacco are far more dangerous than cannabis. It is obviously already in motion in some parts of the world and even here in the USA. I think its good however I do think it forces us to make small refinements here and there. Till you become better at refining. Opinion of course...

I love this idea. Let me being my opinion that I am pro legalization. Here is opinion, same line of thought "should Jedi have weapons" each individual is responsible for themselfs. The opertunity is valid and the experience I recommend but there is also a full set of responsibilities that come with this gift, Like everything else in life.To many times the un responsible over number the responsible. It is in my opinion up to the actual person to decide for your self I'd it is right for you. I hope this helps your decision in life. Feel free to pm any time, Carlos

OB1Shinobi wrote: Im confident its less an issue of IF than when

I also have this sense that the more rules and laws societies have the more the individuals tend to get ground up in the gears and wheels of the machine.

As a result i dont belive theres very much thatshould be illegal

I always felt like freedom and defending freedom meant that people could live and do as they pleased
becaue you know their free and all

And i remember reading that SMOKING works better than marinol
this was in the nineties or early2000s before vaporizers caught on which are even "better" than smoking
i might be wrong but im pretty sure at least that the case is made for marinol not being as effective for some or another reason.. i think it one of the issues was that pills are not as effective delivery system. Also nausea was much more significant.

like i said it was a long time ago i read about it
I may look it up later
but
on the "war on drugs"
There is no war on DRUGS
drugs just sit there
they dont carry guns and they dont invade other countries
you can only declare war on people
and i dont see how a nation declaring war on its own citizens is a good thing
unless youre one of the warlords dictators drug kingpins gangsters greasy politicians who profit from it i mean

everyone else is ff'd

i do not feel in theleast that it is inappropriate or disrespectful to speak on issues i have spent serious time and thought on and this is one of them.
The so called drug war has had horrible effects on american society (i cant speak for the other side of the pond) with tbe results being that drugs are stronger more dangerous and easier to get than ever.
I dont belive theres a high school in any major city in america that one cant go into and nerwork their way to any drug you can name.
Thats why we call them HIGH schools.

One generation ago that was incomprehensible

On the marinol issue:

I don't take medication, and I don't smoke anything anymore, so I don't know which is the most effective delivery system

My opposition to medical weed is mainly that is is basically de facto weed legalization, with a little bit of red tape. From what I have seen and heard, weed prescriptions are handed out for the most trivial of reasons. I cannot help but feel a little bit angry when I hear people say that they need weed (and end up getting the prescription) because they are stressed, depressed, or anxious. When I drank beer for those reasons, it was considered bad and a prelude to alcoholism, which is true. And I know from years of being around people using weed that weed is at least as debilitating as booze.

Until there are health insurance plans that help a person buy booze, I don't see easily accessible medical weed as an intellectually valid position.

On that note, I think that the pharmaceutical industry makes shit that is at least as bad as weed. As a ritalin survivor, I think that using psychiatry on kids is far worse than smoking weed as an adult, and both should be illegal.

Star Forge wrote: I cannot help but feel a little bit angry when I hear people say that they need weed (and end up getting the prescription) because they are stressed, depressed, or anxious.

Depression and anxiety are legitimate medical issues that are difficult to treat without harmful side effects (of which marijuana, I'm told, has none), and stress is the easiest way to exacerbate any other medical issues you have. If marijuana can treat these issues, either traditionally or as a cannabinoid extract, why are you angry?

Steamboat. Do not forget , not every body is at the same level. Some need more help than others and some truly are weaker or less in tune with their.own strengths than others. Every one is not from the same walk of life. It is a Jedi s creed to help those who are needing and aski.g for help. Be the help

steamboat28 wrote:

Star Forge wrote: I cannot help but feel a little bit angry when I hear people say that they need weed (and end up getting the prescription) because they are stressed, depressed, or anxious.

Depression and anxiety are legitimate medical issues that are difficult to treat without harmful side effects (of which marijuana, I'm told, has none), and stress is the easiest way to exacerbate any other medical issues you have. If marijuana can treat these issues, either traditionally or as a cannabinoid extract, why are you angry?

Read the next sentence of what I wrote. That will put it in the context that I wrote it in.

I should add that I myself have suffered greatly from depression and anxiety, and I still do, to a much, much smaller extent than when I was younger. Back in the day, it affected me at almost a debilitating level. I attempted suicide (actual attempt, not attention-getting parasuicide) when I was 12, and my anxiety led me to having "old people" type health problems when I was young. I also used tobacco heavily and daily, and had several alcohol binges a week to deal with it, which was a bad, unhealthy idea, which made my problems worse, and which I have freed myself from. I am sharing all this information ONLY to let you all know that I am not talking out my ass, and that I am speaking from experience.

I always understood that prolonged weed use causes paranoia and other psychological problems. It is pretty commonly known, even if pro-weed mainstream sources exclude this detail. I have seen many, many awful cases of this firsthand. Weed is also addictive. People laugh sometimes when I say that, but it's true. My personal experience around loads of weed users has taught me this. I don't care if a person can find some website or even doctor who says differently, I am not going to ignore or discount life experience.

I agree with those who state that weed is generally less harmful than antidepressants. Even when my depression was at its worst, I refused to take pills. I also refused to smoke weed, and I would have done so even if it was legal. I did use alcohol and tobacco as medication, and I fully confess my bad judgment. Thankfully, I was never an alcoholic (I stopped drinking with no problem; it wasn't an addiction), and I was able to overcome my tobacco addiction, more recently.

Star Forge wrote:

steamboat28 wrote:

Star Forge wrote: I cannot help but feel a little bit angry when I hear people say that they need weed (and end up getting the prescription) because they are stressed, depressed, or anxious.

Depression and anxiety are legitimate medical issues that are difficult to treat without harmful side effects (of which marijuana, I'm told, has none), and stress is the easiest way to exacerbate any other medical issues you have. If marijuana can treat these issues, either traditionally or as a cannabinoid extract, why are you angry?

Read the next sentence of what I wrote. That will put it in the context that I wrote it in.

I should add that I myself have suffered greatly from depression and anxiety, and I still do, to a much, much smaller extent than when I was younger. Back in the day, it affected me at almost a debilitating level. I attempted suicide (actual attempt, not attention-getting parasuicide) when I was 12, and my anxiety led me to having "old people" type health problems when I was young. I also used tobacco heavily and daily, and had several alcohol binges a week to deal with it, which was a bad, unhealthy idea, which made my problems worse, and which I have freed myself from. I am sharing all this information ONLY to let you all know that I am not talking out my ass, and that I am speaking from experience.

I always understood that prolonged weed use causes paranoia and other psychological problems. It is pretty commonly known, even if pro-weed mainstream sources exclude this detail. I have seen many, many awful cases of this firsthand. Weed is also addictive. People laugh sometimes when I say that, but it's true. My personal experience around loads of weed users has taught me this. I don't care if a person can find some website or even doctor who says differently, I am not going to ignore or discount life experience.

I agree with those who state that weed is generally less harmful than antidepressants. Even when my depression was at its worst, I refused to take pills. I also refused to smoke weed, and I would have done so even if it was legal. I did use alcohol and tobacco as medication, and I fully confess my bad judgment. Thankfully, I was never an alcoholic (I stopped drinking with no problem; it wasn't an addiction), and I was able to overcome my tobacco addiction, more recently.

I respect your opinion. However No one has actually died from the use alone. Saying Marijuana brings you down is ridiculous. If you let it destroy you it is your own fault. Here some examples of people who use(d) it: Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, the list literally goes on of successful people who have used it.
on the subject of Medicine, I rather take something natural that I know for fact that will not kill me rather than a pill that is pumped full of chemicals and side effects.
Also look at Colorado and Washington they profited from it greatly.
The reason Marijuana is illegal is conflict of interest. How they made it illegal was completely racist.

Star Forge wrote:

steamboat28 wrote:

Star Forge wrote: I cannot help but feel a little bit angry when I hear people say that they need weed (and end up getting the prescription) because they are stressed, depressed, or anxious.

Depression and anxiety are legitimate medical issues that are difficult to treat without harmful side effects (of which marijuana, I'm told, has none), and stress is the easiest way to exacerbate any other medical issues you have. If marijuana can treat these issues, either traditionally or as a cannabinoid extract, why are you angry?

Read the next sentence of what I wrote. That will put it in the context that I wrote it in.

I should add that I myself have suffered greatly from depression and anxiety, and I still do, to a much, much smaller extent than when I was younger. Back in the day, it affected me at almost a debilitating level. I attempted suicide (actual attempt, not attention-getting parasuicide) when I was 12, and my anxiety led me to having "old people" type health problems when I was young. I also used tobacco heavily and daily, and had several alcohol binges a week to deal with it, which was a bad, unhealthy idea, which made my problems worse, and which I have freed myself from. I am sharing all this information ONLY to let you all know that I am not talking out my ass, and that I am speaking from experience.

I always understood that prolonged weed use causes paranoia and other psychological problems. It is pretty commonly known, even if pro-weed mainstream sources exclude this detail. I have seen many, many awful cases of this firsthand. Weed is also addictive. People laugh sometimes when I say that, but it's true. My personal experience around loads of weed users has taught me this. I don't care if a person can find some website or even doctor who says differently, I am not going to ignore or discount life experience.

I agree with those who state that weed is generally less harmful than antidepressants. Even when my depression was at its worst, I refused to take pills. I also refused to smoke weed, and I would have done so even if it was legal. I did use alcohol and tobacco as medication, and I fully confess my bad judgment. Thankfully, I was never an alcoholic (I stopped drinking with no problem; it wasn't an addiction), and I was able to overcome my tobacco addiction, more recently.

Also anything can be addictive. Shopping, Eating, Exercising, etc. There is no actual addiction like meth or cocaine have. Science has proven that already. If you want to ignore science well Ignorance is strength.

from my view point addictions are things which kill you when you stop taking them

air water food and protection from the elements

eveything else is habbit and habbit forming

which begs the question
did the marijuana form the habbit of being smoked by me or did i form the habbit of smoking the marijuana

and from exerience i can tell you that heavy pot smokers are usuall miserable after a day or two without pot

which is not at all an argument for its criminalization lol
what i dont understand is why people think that laws should be made to restrict choice or freedom

what theheck does freedom meanto you if not that we should be trusted to make our own decisions?

i feel this destructive drug war is a great example -the efforts to restrict freedom and penalize personal choice are far more destructive to society than the choices which are restricted

OB1Shinobi wrote: from my view point addictions are things which kill you when you stop taking them

air water food and protection from the elements

eveything else is habbit and habbit forming

which begs the question
did the marijuana form the habbit of being smoked by me or did i form the habbit of smoking the marijuana

and from exerience i can tell you that heavy pot smokers are usuall miserable after a day or two without pot

which is not at all an argument for its criminalization lol
what i dont understand is why people think that laws should be made to restrict choice or freedom

what theheck does freedom meanto you if not that we should be trusted to make our own decisions?

i feel this destructive drug war is a great example -the efforts to restrict freedom and penalize personal choice are far more destructive to society than the choices which are restricted

Very well said:)