Which Hogwarts House should Jedi belong to?

Khaos wrote: Another key point is that only the heroes of the story could create a patronus. To which Snape could, as to where no other Dark arts practitioner could.

Actually Umbridge could also create a patronus, and I think she was really evil. For this, Rowling said that those could create a patronus who thought that they were doing something for the betterment of life. And Umbridge was stick to her values so much that she thought that was the right way; that's why she could create one, too.

Maybe she was under the imperious curse....or the confundus charm.....or..or..or maybe she didn't eat enough flies that day.....yeah that's gotta be the reason, 'cuz she couldn't possibly be evil.....

Is it so wrong to force children to carve their offenses into their own flesh to maintain order and discipline :evil:

RyuJin wrote: Maybe she was under the imperious curse....or the confundus charm.....or..or..or maybe she didn't eat enough flies that day.....yeah that's gotta be the reason, 'cuz she couldn't possibly be evil.....

Is it so wrong to force children to carve their offenses into their own flesh to maintain order and discipline :evil:

Or maybe she had a cug up her bunt..... :ohmy:

Actually Umbridge could also create a patronus, and I think she was really evil.

Hard to say. She never actually used any Dark arts,and she certainly wasnt a Death Eater.

She did seem obsessed with the minister of magic, and a bit of a bi...well, haha, yeah.

She also did seem to lose her mind a bit, but I dont know if I would put her on the same level as Voldemort and the Death Eaters.

Not on the same level as Voldemort, for sure. But she was the one who fired Hagrid only because he was a half-giant, she fired Trelawney (yes she was a fraud but still...) and she wanted to throw her out of the castle as well.
And carving sentences into the skin of students...

So yes, hard to say, indeed... but I have a really strong opinion about her...

Snape's patronus was a doe, same as Lily's. But James' was a stag. Snape's matched Lily's because of his obsession. James' complemented hers because of their love. Snape was nothing more than a creepy stalker who couldn't let go of his childhood crush. And he joined a terrorist organization, called her racist slurs, and then bullied an 11 year old for it. Definitely not a hero, even if he was useful to the heroes.

I've got strong opinions about both Snape and Umbridge.

I would say it was much more than a childhood crush. Also, he said mean words to her in a fit of anger regarding his treatment at the hands of Harrys father, and his friends, which were actually pretty bad.

Truly, one could call Dumbledore into question more than Snape, or Umberidge, as he manipulated and played with lives to ultimately destroy Voldemort.

Snape simply another person manipulated in regards to using his love for Lily to get Snape to spy, risk his life, protect Harry, etc.

Harry said himself that Snape was the bravest person he knew.

Dumbledore certainly isn't without blame either, of course. But Snape became racist toward Lily when he was angry at other boys. That's not the actions of love, that's abusive behavior. And then he continued to emotionally abuse her son after her death. You just don't do that to someone you actually love. As far as Harry calling Snape brave, he was emotionally abused and manipulated by Snape and Dumbledore from the time he was 11. Then he grew up believing those two men were brave heroes. Classic behavior of someone emotionally manipulated over a long period of time. Doesn't say much about who they actually were, just about how the child they used for their own ends saw them. They both expected Harry to save the world while simultaneously treating him as an untrustworthy child. They just took different approaches. Snape's approach was to abuse Harry, while Dumbledore's was to manipulate him. Neither is better than the other.

Ah but when harry met aberforth (after reading the book) he learned all the twisted painful truths and chose to trust in the dumbledore that he knew, not the dumbledore that others knew

Once he learned everything he could have ran away, but he chose to follow the plan that he knew would lead to his planned death....

Dumbledore was constantly observing,assessing,testing, and reassessing harry at every opportunity and even admitted to underestimating and wishing he had been honest up front....as he pointed out harry was the only one worthy of uniting the hallows....and in the end harry proved it by losing one in the forest, and destroying the most infamous one....