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18 May 2014 08:57 #147608
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I love Harry Potter, and as I'm rereading and watching it now, I was wondering where Jedi should belong to. I have an account on Pottermore, and it sorted me into Hufflepuff. I knew I that would be the right house for me, as for me the most important traits are hard-working, loyalty, kindness and open-mindedness. However, I also love reading and learning new materials - that's why many quizes put me into Rawenclaw instead. There was even one which put me into Griffindor, but I don't consider myself a brave one.
I'm sure in one thing: no Jedi should be in Slytherin - it's true that is the place for ambitious people, which isn't that bad, but most of times this ambition is accompanied by unhealthy pushiness and only caring with our own needs, which should be avoided by all Jedi.
And I'd like to know your thoughts about this topic. Where do you think you would belong to? Or do you think one of the houses is specific for us?
I'm sure in one thing: no Jedi should be in Slytherin - it's true that is the place for ambitious people, which isn't that bad, but most of times this ambition is accompanied by unhealthy pushiness and only caring with our own needs, which should be avoided by all Jedi.
And I'd like to know your thoughts about this topic. Where do you think you would belong to? Or do you think one of the houses is specific for us?

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18 May 2014 09:19 #147609
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Jedi are certainly not exempt from Slytherin ... :huh:
Remember, in the Harry Potter saga, the headmaster of Slytherin was one of the ultimate 'heroes' of the grand adventure.
Furthermore, do not forget that 'human-heartedness' (not to be confused with humaneness), or our "irreducible rascality", is the highest of virtues. In other words, someone who gets so bloody moral that s/he begins to reek of Jedi would probably be a very questionable instrument of peace ...

... besides, we don't want to smell like that.
Remember, in the Harry Potter saga, the headmaster of Slytherin was one of the ultimate 'heroes' of the grand adventure.
Furthermore, do not forget that 'human-heartedness' (not to be confused with humaneness), or our "irreducible rascality", is the highest of virtues. In other words, someone who gets so bloody moral that s/he begins to reek of Jedi would probably be a very questionable instrument of peace ...

... besides, we don't want to smell like that.

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18 May 2014 09:57 #147610
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Oh yes, I forgot about him... 
So yes, we must agree on the point that there are people in Slitherin who don't have such selfish motives... But still, every time I think about Slytherin, I relate it to evilness...because most Death Eaters came from this house...and Voldemort himself... well, that's a prejudice from my part...
That must be the reason why it just wouldn't seem 'right' for me. 
Anyway, could you please desribe that "irreducible rascality" in more detail, I just can't seem to catch its meaning... :huh:

So yes, we must agree on the point that there are people in Slitherin who don't have such selfish motives... But still, every time I think about Slytherin, I relate it to evilness...because most Death Eaters came from this house...and Voldemort himself... well, that's a prejudice from my part...


Anyway, could you please desribe that "irreducible rascality" in more detail, I just can't seem to catch its meaning... :huh:
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18 May 2014 09:59 - 18 May 2014 10:02 #147611
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I think Jedi could be part of any house... the nerve and chivalrous nature of Gryffindor, the loyalty, hard work and patience of Hufflepuff, the intelligence and knowledge of Ravenclaw, and yes even the resourcefulness of Slytherin.
Defining one's abilities or outlook in too fixed a manner leads to inflexibility, and that means you can never respond authentically to what's happening rather than playing out some pre-conceived script of who we are or what we can (and can't) do. For example, sometimes a bit of persuasion and cunning go a long way towards achieving a positive, harmonious goal; if you rule out Slytherin, those two are off the table.
Defining one's abilities or outlook in too fixed a manner leads to inflexibility, and that means you can never respond authentically to what's happening rather than playing out some pre-conceived script of who we are or what we can (and can't) do. For example, sometimes a bit of persuasion and cunning go a long way towards achieving a positive, harmonious goal; if you rule out Slytherin, those two are off the table.
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18 May 2014 10:01 - 18 May 2014 10:03 #147612
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Double post. Oops.
So to make use of it, here's a link to Alexandre's sermon on our "irreducible rascality": http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/sermons/2060-our-irreducible-rascality-human-hearted-ness
So to make use of it, here's a link to Alexandre's sermon on our "irreducible rascality": http://www.templeofthejediorder.org/sermons/2060-our-irreducible-rascality-human-hearted-ness
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18 May 2014 10:50 #147613
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Yes, now I must seem to be an unflexible, narrow-minded, rigid individual.
So please, let me explain why I reached that conclusion:
The four Hogwarts Houses, explained one-by-one (I put them into spoiler-places to make it better arranged) :
1) Gryffindor:
2) Ravenclaw
3) Hufflepuff
4) Slytherin
And thank you for the sermon-link!

The four Hogwarts Houses, explained one-by-one (I put them into spoiler-places to make it better arranged) :
1) Gryffindor:
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"You might belong in Gryffindor,
Where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry
Set Gryffindors apart"
Some examples for these virtues for our Code, Creed, etc.:
The 21 Maxims: "Courage: To have the will. - To be a Jedi sometimes means choosing the more difficult path, the personally expensive one. A Jedi knows they must make the right choice, take the right side and that the weak they have sworn to defend often stand alone. A Jedi puts aside fear, regret, and uncertainty yet know the difference between courage and sheer stupidity." "Nobility: To act with honour. - A Jedi does not engage in petty, mean or otherwise dubious activities. Acting with stature and distinction influences others, offering a compelling example of what can be achieved by those who follow Jediism."
The Knights' Code: "His heart knows only virtue. His blade defends the helpless. ... His courage gives hope to the despairing."
"You might belong in Gryffindor,
Where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry
Set Gryffindors apart"
Some examples for these virtues for our Code, Creed, etc.:
The 21 Maxims: "Courage: To have the will. - To be a Jedi sometimes means choosing the more difficult path, the personally expensive one. A Jedi knows they must make the right choice, take the right side and that the weak they have sworn to defend often stand alone. A Jedi puts aside fear, regret, and uncertainty yet know the difference between courage and sheer stupidity." "Nobility: To act with honour. - A Jedi does not engage in petty, mean or otherwise dubious activities. Acting with stature and distinction influences others, offering a compelling example of what can be achieved by those who follow Jediism."
The Knights' Code: "His heart knows only virtue. His blade defends the helpless. ... His courage gives hope to the despairing."
2) Ravenclaw
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"Or yet in wise old Ravenclaw,
If you've a ready mind,
Where those of wit and learning,
Will always find their kind."
Some examples for these virtues for our Code, Creed, etc.:
The Three Tenets - Focus, Knowledge, Wisdom
The Code, line two: "Ignorance, yet knowledge."
The 21 Maxims: "Focus: To select what matters most. - A Jedi focuses in the task at hand. Although a Jedi is aware of the past, and wary of the present's impact on the future, through discipline they know how to select and concentrate on priorities."
"Or yet in wise old Ravenclaw,
If you've a ready mind,
Where those of wit and learning,
Will always find their kind."
Some examples for these virtues for our Code, Creed, etc.:
The Three Tenets - Focus, Knowledge, Wisdom
The Code, line two: "Ignorance, yet knowledge."
The 21 Maxims: "Focus: To select what matters most. - A Jedi focuses in the task at hand. Although a Jedi is aware of the past, and wary of the present's impact on the future, through discipline they know how to select and concentrate on priorities."
3) Hufflepuff
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"You might belong in Hufflepuff,
Where they are just and loyal,
Those patient Hufflepuffs are true,
And unafraid of toil"
Some examples for these virtues for our Code, Creed, etc.:
The Creed: "Where there is hatred I shall bring love;"
The 21 Maxims: "Justice: To always seek the path of ‘right’. - A Jedi is unencumbered by bias or personal interest. Justice is a double-edged sword, one that protects the weak, yet also passes judgements according to a set of values. A Jedi tolerates that which is not Jedi and does not pass judgement on that which causes no harm for it is just." "Loyalty: To have faith in your Jedi brothers and sisters. - A Jedi remains true to what they have learned and to their own teachings. A Jedi always serves those who wish to learn more of the ways of the Force and in doing so, remain loyal to the way of Jediism and their Order." "Honesty: To avoid lies. - A Jedi is honest with themselves and seeks to always go beyond appearances. There can be no honest self without the knowledge and wisdom to see truth."
The Knight's Code: "His word speaks only truth. ... His justice undoes the wicked."
"You might belong in Hufflepuff,
Where they are just and loyal,
Those patient Hufflepuffs are true,
And unafraid of toil"
Some examples for these virtues for our Code, Creed, etc.:
The Creed: "Where there is hatred I shall bring love;"
The 21 Maxims: "Justice: To always seek the path of ‘right’. - A Jedi is unencumbered by bias or personal interest. Justice is a double-edged sword, one that protects the weak, yet also passes judgements according to a set of values. A Jedi tolerates that which is not Jedi and does not pass judgement on that which causes no harm for it is just." "Loyalty: To have faith in your Jedi brothers and sisters. - A Jedi remains true to what they have learned and to their own teachings. A Jedi always serves those who wish to learn more of the ways of the Force and in doing so, remain loyal to the way of Jediism and their Order." "Honesty: To avoid lies. - A Jedi is honest with themselves and seeks to always go beyond appearances. There can be no honest self without the knowledge and wisdom to see truth."
The Knight's Code: "His word speaks only truth. ... His justice undoes the wicked."
4) Slytherin
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"Or perhaps in Slytherin,
You'll make your real friends,
Those cunning folk use any means,
To achieve their ends."
And this was the one to which I found no equivalent in the doctrine - this of course can be my defect. And the part that bothers me most is this one: "Those cunning folk use any means, To achieve their ends." Which is self-explanatory for me. But I don't doubt the other traits that this house 'offers.' I hope you get my point now :dry:
"Or perhaps in Slytherin,
You'll make your real friends,
Those cunning folk use any means,
To achieve their ends."
And this was the one to which I found no equivalent in the doctrine - this of course can be my defect. And the part that bothers me most is this one: "Those cunning folk use any means, To achieve their ends." Which is self-explanatory for me. But I don't doubt the other traits that this house 'offers.' I hope you get my point now :dry:
And thank you for the sermon-link!

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the root source of suffering is an ignorance of ourselves
Teaching Masters: V-Tog, tzb, Darren
Apprentices: yet to come...
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18 May 2014 11:16 #147614
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I guess Slytherin are the pragmatists
"the ends justifies the means" in a sort
"the ends justifies the means" in a sort
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18 May 2014 11:27 - 18 May 2014 11:28 #147615
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Aw, cheats, you've got to think of it like - "if you had to pick a Jedi house, which would it be?" :evil:
As a kid, I always wanted to be a Gryffindor. As an adult and a Jedi, the Hufflepuff values are the ones that I most like to see in the world around me. I'd rather be surrounded by loyal, hard-working and humble people than be in a community of brave, cunning or intelligent people. And although I make that sound like personal preference, that also fits with what I believe the Jedi path to be about.
Whilst the others do not necessarily exclude the notion, the Hufflepuff values are the ones that most implicitly stress the importance of putting others before yourself.
So, Hufflepuff.
As a kid, I always wanted to be a Gryffindor. As an adult and a Jedi, the Hufflepuff values are the ones that I most like to see in the world around me. I'd rather be surrounded by loyal, hard-working and humble people than be in a community of brave, cunning or intelligent people. And although I make that sound like personal preference, that also fits with what I believe the Jedi path to be about.
Whilst the others do not necessarily exclude the notion, the Hufflepuff values are the ones that most implicitly stress the importance of putting others before yourself.
So, Hufflepuff.
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18 May 2014 12:11 #147616
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As a Ravenclaw with very, very heavy Slytherin tendencies (rather than gaining knowledge in order to acquire power, I have a tendency to gain power in order to acquire knowledge), I think that Jedi can fit anywhere. Even if you take to the fiction, you see a lot of variation in personality style and type that would get them sorted differently. I think the stereotypical film Jedi is mostly Gryffindor, but then again I think that, with precious little exception (like Sherlock Holmes and The Dude), all protagonists are mostly Gryffindor for reasons of keeping the story moving.
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18 May 2014 12:27 - 18 May 2014 12:32 #147617
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OK well I don't want to be a spoil sport
so I pick Ravenclaw. I'm academically-minded, logical and whilst I have a limited share myself, I value wit and wisdom above most other traits. I also love eagles (and ravens), so... loyalty and humility are also important to me, so I guess Hufflepuff would be my second choice. I definitely don't fit Slytherin or Gryffindor.
For a really good Potter-esque (although rather more "mature" in content) novel about a magical university, where the protagonist is very much not the typical Gryffindor type, allow me to recommend The Magicians by Lev Grossman. Bloody love that book.

steamboat28 wrote: I think that, with precious little exception (like Sherlock Holmes and The Dude), all protagonists are mostly Gryffindor for reasons of keeping the story moving.
For a really good Potter-esque (although rather more "mature" in content) novel about a magical university, where the protagonist is very much not the typical Gryffindor type, allow me to recommend The Magicians by Lev Grossman. Bloody love that book.
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