Has Texting KIlled Romance
ren wrote: I would blame feminism far more than I would blame technology.
Could you clarify what you mean?
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Did the invention of the letter supercede meeting up in person and destroy romance?
A silly thing to think about really...
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I would blame feminism for the destruction of men, not necessarily the destruction of romance. There is a slight difference, but it is an important one.ren wrote: I would blame feminism far more than I would blame technology.
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You have to protect yourself in this day and age, and make sure your feelings dont make you do anything stupid. I could be wrong of course, but looking at the past, they didnt seem to have those problems or worries back then. Did the internet or text messaging do his? Doubtful.
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I blame TV and movies!
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rugadd wrote: That sort of implies your looking at marriage as an individual...doesn't that very mindframe defeat the purpose of marriage?
I don't know what the purpose of marriage is anymore. For me it's about transferring the liberty of movement I get as a EU citizen to my (future) spouse. Otherwise, I am much happier in a relationship where the laws have no power.
I worked in an all-male environment once. Night shift, -25c temperature... The kind of job that only people who need the money do. I was there to tweak the computer systems and was quite young compared to everyone else... Everyone (all men, not one exception) talked only about one thing: their divorce and how "the bitch" was getting half their money. The computer system had a female voice, and users would be quite frustrated with it because voice recognition didn't work so well when the mic was frozen. The kind of complaints/jokes they were making about it was rather scary. I saw the conditions one of them was living in. Let's just say that finished killing romance for me. Even once, I was involved in an accident. Nothing really major but there are procedures, so management had to call a doctor to test everyone for drugs and alcohol... Well guess what the doctor was going on about... These guys were still heterosexual though (you don't choose your sexuality) so I know they'll try their luck again.
What started killing romance for me, is that not so long ago, I was quite wealthy. At 17 years old I realized that brains don't get girls, only money and looks. Basically, you can be a total douche, commit infidelity every day, you'll be ok as long as you're fit and spending serious paper. While I found this most agreeable at the time, with time (not a lot of it), I realized all these girls were basically whores.
I did say on the forum before that prostitutes were the honest kind of woman: no taboo, know what they want and what they'll give you for it... And they tell you before hand what the nature of the relationship is going to be and how long it's going to last (I assume, I've never been myself lol).
So here's your romance. Far from e-mail, right next to "how much do you charge for sex".
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ren wrote: What I mean is feminism has transformed the western world in a way that the western man's interests in the western woman are minor, and not worth being romantic. They do not want to marry, even cohabitation carries its risks. Kids are a no-go too. I certainly wouldnt marry a western woman because the cost/benefit ratio is not good at all. I'm getting married in a week, and I'm not having it transferred to french law, jut in case. a (british) friend of mine got married 12 years ago abroad too, but according to his home country's law (UK) he is celibate.
You have to protect yourself in this day and age, and make sure your feelings dont make you do anything stupid. I could be wrong of course, but looking at the past, they didnt seem to have those problems or worries back then. Did the internet or text messaging do his? Doubtful.
I am new here, and a seeker of Jediism. However, I am going to address this, because you are generalizing. You are stereotyping a particular group of people into roles that you think they should have. You cannot possibly mean to categorize your damaged and failed relationships into one lump sum, and then blame all of modern women on them, can you? Unless you have dated every single “western woman,” your sweeping statement has no foundation.
Instead of accepting the challenge to locate the rare female who shared your equally uncommon philosophy, you have grouped “western women” together. They did not meet with your conjectures of who they should be and what they should be doing, and turned your face the other way. Instead of guiding and teaching, you looked to the past as to what is wrong with “them,” and developed a mantra to “protect yourself in this day and age” from them. You are blaming the whole of “western women” on your fears, problems you have faced, and ideals derived from your upbringing and expectations. You are clinging to the past, and even said as much in your statement. You are using it to justify your pain, instead of your own culpability in previous relationships. Perhaps, instead, understand that your soul had been trying to point you elsewhere all along, but you weren’t listening.
As Jedi, we are to accept our own contributions to our dissatisfactions, and let go of our expectations of others. Isn’t that one of the fundamentals of Jediism: let go of your expectations? As a Jedi, we should try to understand the plight of people—in this case women--to understand the reasons that there have been these changes over time.
We are to teach, to train, to aid and help others towards a path of enlightenment and integrity. The duality of this life doesn’t come with preset criteria for what each other is and isn’t supposed to be. We are to seek grace and understanding of one another, lift each other up, celebrate our differences, and guide when we are called to.
As Jedi, we are to let go of the past, and let go of hatred. We should let go of ideals which served to do nothing more than subjugate half of the humans on the planet into outdated roles. Women are trying to find their way. They are learning how to live as true equals, while trying to develop a code of existence and honor where only imposed sets of rules for them existed before. Perhaps, this deserves contemplation, patience, and understanding.
Respectfully,
Nightmoon
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As Ren may be blaming the whole of western women, you are trying to speak for the whole of the Jedi.
Using "we" is a mechanism of defense and manipulation.
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