why predominantly philosophy?

...' then why dont we? i think between myself and rickie the grey, we could easily tackle this extremely necessary life skill in an informal basis.

Yes,and since I posted my issues with finances, I have recieved a PM...

Be carefull, there are a lot fo crooks out there. There is a way to check to see if a person is registered and has a history of complaints.

http://brokercheck.finra.org/Search/Search.aspx

If you can't find the person and/or the person has complaints filed against them stay clear.

This has been provided as a public service announcement.

Now back to philosophy....

Ultimately, I have found setting offline requirements for a group that does not have proximity placing the cart before the horse.

Offline activities, I feel, are the expression of the religion and philosophy in a way that "takes it to the streets"

While not everyone is ready to implement it, and may indeed argue against it, I have my own ideas. I have found trying to get every one on the same page an endeavor that is ultimately fruitless. Instead, I plant the seeds and let them grow on their own.

In the meant time, instead of trying to find "consensus" among the groups, I spend my time preparing myself to be able to provide infrastructure when people eventually get to the point of wanting to take things to a more practical expression of service.

Such as getting CPR trainer certs, Search and Rescue experience, etc... Others are looking into getting reiki attunements, shamanistic training, and Chi healing courses.

I guess what I am getting at is to be the change you want to see. If we are taking the right road to BEING Jedi, the others will join us when they are ready.

We already have an additional courses forum, why not use it for this sort of stuff? The groundwork is already there!

JohnsonMD wrote:
You have skills in areas outside of the totjo, you wish to utilize those...but you must realize that the totjo should not embrace everything...it's not all encompassing.

here we differ. yes, it is the case now that totjo does not embrace everything. but why SHOULDNT it? if we believe in the precepts that we study, if we believe in nonviolence and equality if we believe in what we SAY we do, then why SHOULDNT we want it be more far reaching?

i see a world with jedi politicians who rule justly, without their left hands accepting $100 bills while the other pats babies. i see jedi soldiers, who help allay some of the bloodlust, the warmongering we see so prevalent in the US military now. i see jedi teachers, professors and instructors, gently leading others down this path.

yes, johnson. its not all embracing...now. but it doesnt always have to be that way.

Lykeios wrote: We already have an additional courses forum, why not use it for this sort of stuff? The groundwork is already there!

how do we do that, higher ups? what is the protocol?

Desolous wrote:

JohnsonMD wrote:
You have skills in areas outside of the totjo, you wish to utilize those...but you must realize that the totjo should not embrace everything...it's not all encompassing.

here we differ. yes, it is the case now that totjo does not embrace everything. but why SHOULDNT it? if we believe in the precepts that we study, if we believe in nonviolence and equality if we believe in what we SAY we do, then why SHOULDNT we want it be more far reaching?

i see a world with jedi politicians who rule justly, without their left hands accepting $100 bills while the other pats babies. i see jedi soldiers, who help allay some of the bloodlust, the warmongering we see so prevalent in the US military now. i see jedi teachers, professors and instructors, gently leading others down this path.

yes, johnson. its not all embracing...now. but it doesnt always have to be that way.

Not to mention the fact that the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom (being proper application of said knowledge) is part of basic Jedi doctrine.

Which is meaningless as most all Jedi poo poo doctrine.

Khaos wrote: Which is meaningless as most all Jedi poo poo doctrine.

Exactly my point. Tragic really. Since without doctrine, there is Chaos (everyone just does what they want, how they want it, when the want to do it, etc)...which of course, is addressed in...wait for it...the Doctrine.

Herein lies the issue. :whistle:

The most important class I've ever taken in my life was physics. This isn't isn't because I use physics everyday in everything I use (I'd be lucky to even remember half of it) but rather because it taught me how to learn. The class broadened my horizons and showed me how to think for myself. I know now how to think much more critically and to open my eyes to the ways the world works. Instead of teaching us a formula, my teacher would give us a problem that could only be solved with the formula and tell us to solve it. He had us learn formulas the way great philosophers used to, by figuring them out for ourselves. Most philosophers were very important people mathematically and scientifically as well as in various other fields, the basis of philosophy helps you understand yourself and the world around you which is important in most every other subject.

I equate the Temple here to that experience very much. What is being taught here is much less important than how the individual learns it. This is much less a religion about telling you what to think than a religion about helping you realize how to think. I've done less learning here and more realizing. There is an important difference between the two, because I'm doing it myself. I can go somewhere else to learn information, but here at TOTJO I can gain wisdom. This is why philosophy is so important. Jediism accepts and embraces learning as a whole but it can't teach everything. If you are a Jedi who needs to learn about finances, then take a course or have some humility and ask someone for help, don't just expect someone to teach it to you because, "all Jedi should know this and I don't so it must be Jediism's fault that I don't". If you are bored of philosophy then you can take initiative on your own to learn something else, if you can't even take that initiative then there is a different problem here.

I respect many of your opinions Desolous but I don't think that Jediism should teach me everything, it should only make me want to learn them to better myself.

I also would disagree with MD and say that the problem doesn't lie with the doctrine here at totjo, it lies with the people not following it.

[Raikoutenshi" post=117142]. Most philosophers were very important people mathematically and scientifically as well as in various other fields, the basis of philosophy helps you understand yourself and the world around you which is important in most every other subject.

If you are bored of philosophy then you can take initiative on your own to learn something else, if you can't even take that initiative then there is a different problem here.

I respect many of your opinions Desolous but I don't think that Jediism should teach me everything, it should only make me want to learn them to better

Okay, raikou, I think you missed some of what I wrote in here. First, the temple cannot and shouldn't 'teach everything'...that is impossible to any institution anywhere. I merely said it doesn't have to be philosophy...every...single....time.

You said old philosophers were also important in other fields...they didn't get there bycomparative religion and the like. Peiople learn at different speeds, different styles, and different subjects, like my rhino/fish/chimp analogy in the first post of this thread. I would like it if TOTJO leveraged more of the vast knowledge base it has here a bit more.

Finally, assuming that I do NOT take initiative and learn other things is pure folly on your part. I'm currently enrolled in a coursera class called 'how to argue' as well as a defense acquisition university class on small business contracting. This is on top of the massive amount of geopolitical reading I do as a matter of course in print and online. My only point, once more, was that each class didn't have to be philosophical in nature.