The Battle to Decriminalize All Drugs

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23 Jun 2013 19:29 #110407 by RyuJin
Personally i'd like to see anbody even try to cane me...hell has no fury that can match my wrath...threaten me with physical harm and see how quickly Igo from mr.niceguy to satans greatest nightmare...only death would.be able to stop me if I go into one of my furies...that's why I work so diligently to remain calm....

I don't use drugs, don't smoke, and seldom drink...however I know many that do and it has been my obsevation that weed is far less addicting and far less harmfull than tobacco, alcohol or any other drug...here's a fact...the ancient inca chewed the coca leaf for recreational and medicinal purposes...my view is that if it grows naturally then it should be legal (coca,tobacco,marijuana,peyote,etc) but if it requires any sort of chemical process to create then it should be illegal

Coca not cocaine
Marijuana not spice
Real tobacco not the chemically filled cigarettes they sell everywhere

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23 Jun 2013 20:13 #110410 by

RyuJin wrote: Personally i'd like to see anbody even try to cane me...hell has no fury that can match my wrath...threaten me with physical harm and see how quickly Igo from mr.niceguy to satans greatest nightmare...only death would.be able to stop me if I go into one of my furies...that's why I work so diligently to remain calm....

I don't use drugs, don't smoke, and seldom drink...however I know many that do and it has been my obsevation that weed is far less addicting and far less harmfull than tobacco, alcohol or any other drug...here's a fact...the ancient inca chewed the coca leaf for recreational and medicinal purposes...my view is that if it grows naturally then it should be legal (coca,tobacco,marijuana,peyote,etc) but if it requires any sort of chemical process to create then it should be illegal

Coca not cocaine
Marijuana not spice
Real tobacco not the chemically filled cigarettes they sell everywhere


I stated that I do not advocate caning as a penalty for drugs. I was simply stating that there would be less issues with it if people were reminded that it is illegal and a drug, therefore an illegal drug. Stoner comedies are an atrocity. People need to know that it is illegal, it alters moods, it is in fact addictive, and it does in fact lead to use of worse substances.

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23 Jun 2013 20:33 #110412 by RyuJin
Pot leading to other drugs....debatable...all the pot heads I know have only ever used pot, most of them don't drink or use cigarettes...just pot...yes some people that use pot try other drugs, that's because they're looking for that "greater" high, but not all do....addictive...again debatable many that try pot do so only once and never again, I know many people like that.... mood altering...again debatable none of the pot users that I know change their moods simply by smoking pot...in fact every pot user I know is the exact same sober as they are stoned...I deal with tons of them at my job,...when they come in I can smell it on them...I can tell if if they use a pipe, bong, or rolled simply by the smell...and I can even tell if it's a "quality" weed, or skunk all by smell....stoner comedies an atrocity? Not even closely, I find them riotously hilarious, if anything they serve to show the stereotypical humorous events that occur around potheads...forgetfulness, crazy ideas, stoner macgyver like creativity...

It seems to me that you're a hard line almost tyranical bible thumper type...everyone has to see things your way or else they're wrong, tow the line and obey or else, etc....as I've said in countless other threads over the years, what someone does with their own body is their business, no one has the right to dictate otherwise....we live in a society that violates the laws of nature continuously by forcing people to share views rather than letting them choose their own views....

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23 Jun 2013 21:59 #110422 by
It does lead to trying other drugs for some people, but not all. It apparently leads to addiction in some people, but not all (I say apparently because I wasn't aware of that before this thread). It can be mood altering, but it isn't always. I do think stoner comedies tend to show the good aspects, and maybe don't show the bad aspects.

I think that people should be warned about the effects of choices that they make, but the government should not be protecting us against ourselves. It would need to be regulated so that other people wouldn't get hurt (as they do in drunk driving accidents, possibly by second hand smoke, etc.), but other than that everyone should be free to do what they want provided they understand what it is they are choosing to do.

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23 Jun 2013 22:07 #110423 by

Abhaya Budhil wrote: It does lead to trying other drugs for some people, but not all. It apparently leads to addiction in some people, but not all (I say apparently because I wasn't aware of that before this thread). It can be mood altering, but it isn't always. I do think stoner comedies tend to show the good aspects, and maybe don't show the bad aspects.

I think that people should be warned about the effects of choices that they make, but the government should not be protecting us against ourselves. It would need to be regulated so that other people wouldn't get hurt (as they do in drunk driving accidents, possibly by second hand smoke, etc.), but other than that everyone should be free to do what they want provided they understand what it is they are choosing to do.


Believe me, it is addictive. The fact that many people use it only once or do it a few, isolated times does not mean that it is not. I have a friend who has used heroin only once and never tried it again. He also smokes weed every day, and, at times, has used other drugs. Regular weed use, more often than not, will at least induce someone to try new drugs at least once.

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23 Jun 2013 22:19 #110425 by

RyuJin wrote: Pot leading to other drugs....debatable...all the pot heads I know have only ever used pot, most of them don't drink or use cigarettes...just pot...yes some people that use pot try other drugs, that's because they're looking for that "greater" high, but not all do....addictive...again debatable many that try pot do so only once and never again, I know many people like that.... mood altering...again debatable none of the pot users that I know change their moods simply by smoking pot...in fact every pot user I know is the exact same sober as they are stoned...I deal with tons of them at my job,...when they come in I can smell it on them...I can tell if if they use a pipe, bong, or rolled simply by the smell...and I can even tell if it's a "quality" weed, or skunk all by smell....stoner comedies an atrocity? Not even closely, I find them riotously hilarious, if anything they serve to show the stereotypical humorous events that occur around potheads...forgetfulness, crazy ideas, stoner macgyver like creativity...

It seems to me that you're a hard line almost tyranical bible thumper type...everyone has to see things your way or else they're wrong, tow the line and obey or else, etc....as I've said in countless other threads over the years, what someone does with their own body is their business, no one has the right to dictate otherwise....we live in a society that violates the laws of nature continuously by forcing people to share views rather than letting them choose their own views....


Me? Bible thumper? Trololololo. I never stated that weed is "ungodly," "immoral," "unwholesome" or any such thing. I stated the facts that it is mind-altering, intoxicating, addictive, in some cases at least, and also a gateway drug, in some cases. These are all proven facts. What motivates my position on weed is not puritanism or any sort of religion, but instead, common sense. And to clear things up, I oppose the stoner comedies because they make light of the seriousness of weed. When do I get my alcoholic or heroin addict comedies?

I do not place weed in the same category as heroin, crack, or other harder drugs. Neither do I accept it as benign. I do not have sympathy for potheads who get caught, however. Many weed advocates view them as political prisoners or martyrs. I see them as people who took a risk, a stupid one, and got caught. When I caned pothead, I did not feel bad, because, even though the punishment was, in my opinion, excessive, they knew what they were getting into. Here in the US, even thought weed is illegal in most states, weed is treated with a great degree of tolerance. Weed is seen as benign, and people using it think of it as cute misbehavior rather than a crime. Sometimes, I wonder if the rattan is needed.

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23 Jun 2013 22:20 #110427 by RyuJin
Regular or frequent use is not the same as addiction....regular/frequent users usually make sure everything else is paid up first and foremost, then if they can afford to they buy, if they can't they simply do without....

Addicts don't care if anything is paid up, they're too busy chasing their next high and will go to any extent to get it...

A regular/frequent user won't offer to do degrading things to get high, an addict will...

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23 Jun 2013 22:22 #110428 by Br. John
The leading cause of death is birth.

Every drug addict I've known was (as a baby) either breast fed, drank formula or milk.

In Colorado and Washington marijuana is legal to posses and use if you're at least 21 and in Colorado you can even grow a few plants for personal use.

It's a matter of when, not if, cannabis is re-legalized in all of The US.

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23 Jun 2013 22:28 #110432 by RyuJin
I get your point about taking risks and facing the consequences for their choices...

My point is that we waste money and time on idiotic laws instead of focusing time and money on more severe crimes....

Law enforcement makes more money enforcing drug laws than preventing murders,robberies,etc....a pothead generates money for the legal system while a murderer costs money....

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23 Jun 2013 22:30 - 23 Jun 2013 22:31 #110434 by

Star Forge wrote: When do I get my alcoholic or heroin addict comedies?


Beerfest, The Hangover, Bad Santa, Strange Brew, any college comedy (like Animal House), the list is pretty long.

As for heroin, it's not as popular among the public so I'm not aware of any movies, but a lot of comedians use it in their comedy. Pulp Fiction, I think had heroin along side coke...but it really wasn't a comedy comedy. Although, Travolta and Jackson's conversation were a hoot! :laugh:
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