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Non deliberate contact?
30 May 2013 23:51 #108099
by Adder
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I tend to classify dreams as;
1a. going along for the ride, observing to some extent but not controlling
2a. controlling but not really aware its a dream
1b. going along for the ride and knowing your fully dreaming and trying to watch as much detail as possible
2b. taking control of your body within the dream
3. sleep paralysis; dreaming when you half wake up, unable to move body, can see the room but still using the power of dreaming to experience unusual things that seem real.
4. visions; preludes to dreams when your half fallen asleep. Not dreams which happen immediately after falling asleep, as they usually are type 1a. These are short bursts of mental images which can emerge in the quiet before sleeping.
These are just my own thoughts on it. Type 2b seems to have variations;
i. choosing options for your dream character to take
ii. entering your dream body and feeling it and controlling it as normal
iii. manipulation of environment abnormally
iv. removal from dream environment - where I can become separated from the dream and enter some middle ground where I'm in my body but the dream has stopped and transformed into some organic screen which is cold to touch. That's a bit bizarre, but dream lucidity is bizarre and a bit exhausting.
I'm not sure about the astral travel thing, perhaps that is a higher level.
I often try to interpret the contents of my dreams, watching locations and characters for connection to the waking world. I've seen some indications of premonition in dreams which challenge my inner skeptic, but no communications from other people through dreams. That sort of thing seems more inclined to occur in Type 3 or 4 for me, but as I make progress on the dream lucidity that might become achievable!!!
1a. going along for the ride, observing to some extent but not controlling
2a. controlling but not really aware its a dream
1b. going along for the ride and knowing your fully dreaming and trying to watch as much detail as possible
2b. taking control of your body within the dream
3. sleep paralysis; dreaming when you half wake up, unable to move body, can see the room but still using the power of dreaming to experience unusual things that seem real.
4. visions; preludes to dreams when your half fallen asleep. Not dreams which happen immediately after falling asleep, as they usually are type 1a. These are short bursts of mental images which can emerge in the quiet before sleeping.
These are just my own thoughts on it. Type 2b seems to have variations;
i. choosing options for your dream character to take
ii. entering your dream body and feeling it and controlling it as normal
iii. manipulation of environment abnormally
iv. removal from dream environment - where I can become separated from the dream and enter some middle ground where I'm in my body but the dream has stopped and transformed into some organic screen which is cold to touch. That's a bit bizarre, but dream lucidity is bizarre and a bit exhausting.
I'm not sure about the astral travel thing, perhaps that is a higher level.
I often try to interpret the contents of my dreams, watching locations and characters for connection to the waking world. I've seen some indications of premonition in dreams which challenge my inner skeptic, but no communications from other people through dreams. That sort of thing seems more inclined to occur in Type 3 or 4 for me, but as I make progress on the dream lucidity that might become achievable!!!
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31 May 2013 00:02 #108101
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So you could use nothing but energy to reach out to a person, without them having any prior knowledge of this, and they would be noticeably affected by this? If so could you explain some of the reaching out process as well as possible and maybe the actual energy interaction as well?
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rugadd wrote: Yes I have reached out to others with my energy. I can't say I did it "asleep but not dreaming" because I would have no recollection of it. I've done it laying down to go to sleep after certain excercises and I have done it wakeful. To those emotional aware, I received positive results. To those whom I did not speak to after the fact, I have no idea. Nothing I believe happened has any basis outside of my perception that I can prove to another.
So you could use nothing but energy to reach out to a person, without them having any prior knowledge of this, and they would be noticeably affected by this? If so could you explain some of the reaching out process as well as possible and maybe the actual energy interaction as well?
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31 May 2013 00:44 #108102
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without telling anyone previously, and without attempting anything out of the ordinary before and after meditation, i have on a number of occasions influenced what someone has dreamt of, but have no way to prove it to anyone but myself and the dreamer.
i feel the only way to fully test this is to have a group of multiple people, the watcher, the sleeper, and myself. the sleeper goes to sleep. once the sleeper is asleep the watcher decides on a topic, writes it down and shows it to me. i go into meditation in an attempt to influence the sleepers dream. the watcher watches all night to ensure i have no "normal" way of influencing the sleepers dreams. once the sleeper wakes, the watcher asks for what the sleeper dreamt about.
i have not tested this yet, but hope to find people willing to help at some point.
i feel the only way to fully test this is to have a group of multiple people, the watcher, the sleeper, and myself. the sleeper goes to sleep. once the sleeper is asleep the watcher decides on a topic, writes it down and shows it to me. i go into meditation in an attempt to influence the sleepers dream. the watcher watches all night to ensure i have no "normal" way of influencing the sleepers dreams. once the sleeper wakes, the watcher asks for what the sleeper dreamt about.
i have not tested this yet, but hope to find people willing to help at some point.
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31 May 2013 02:17 #108105
by rugadd
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There have been distinct instances where a person who was taken by a powerful negative emotion immediately demonstrated a calming and opposing stance after I have mentally projected loving them and feeling toward them that it would be alright in that moment, on purpose. This has happened multiple times with people whom I was close too and people whom I have never met before and people too whom I had no interaction with beside the aforementioned exercise.
If it is real, it doesn't always work. I cannot prove it. But it has happened as far as I can tell that my silent influence(or the Force through me) has spurred an immediate and beneficial reaction otherwise to be unexpected.
Experience is the only reason I believe it.
If it is real, it doesn't always work. I cannot prove it. But it has happened as far as I can tell that my silent influence(or the Force through me) has spurred an immediate and beneficial reaction otherwise to be unexpected.
Experience is the only reason I believe it.
rugadd
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31 May 2013 04:16 #108107
by RyuJin
Quotes:
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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Harry: "professor, is this real, or is this just all in my head?"
Dumbledore: "my dear boy, of course this is all in your head, but why should that mean that it's any less real?"
Harry potter and the deathly hallows-
Reality is just how your mind interprets the sensory input it receives...something that can easily be manipulated by affecting neurology, bio chemistry etc....
Dumbledore: "my dear boy, of course this is all in your head, but why should that mean that it's any less real?"
Harry potter and the deathly hallows-
Reality is just how your mind interprets the sensory input it receives...something that can easily be manipulated by affecting neurology, bio chemistry etc....
Warning: Spoiler!
There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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