Non deliberate contact?

Zenchi wrote:

ren wrote: I have an idea: You and I meet up and go "indeliberately" touch those vanilla girls during their sleep. Energy rape isn't a crime (yet) after all. I don't know if licking on the ground that "but it's vanilla" would hold in court though

Really...Really??? I'm going to take two sec out of my vow of silence to state your disgusting and disappointing as a Jedi and Council member Ren...

Thank you. Had you not broken your vow of silence to voice your opinion I'd probably be entering people's homes on the opposite side of the planet just to touch them with my energy during their sleep by now. Now that you thwarted my disgusting plans I'll probably never be able to turn Brenna to the Dark Side either. Thank you again!

ps, how do you do the upside down smiley?

It's in the smiley list, right next to the green guy :silly:

ren wrote:

Zenchi wrote:

ren wrote: I have an idea: You and I meet up and go "indeliberately" touch those vanilla girls during their sleep. Energy rape isn't a crime (yet) after all. I don't know if licking on the ground that "but it's vanilla" would hold in court though

Really...Really??? I'm going to take two sec out of my vow of silence to state your disgusting and disappointing as a Jedi and Council member Ren...

Thank you. Had you not broken your vow of silence to voice your opinion I'd probably be entering people's homes on the opposite side of the planet just to touch them with my energy during their sleep by now. Now that you thwarted my disgusting plans I'll probably never be able to turn Brenna to the Dark Side either. Thank you again!

In fairness, I definitely think we crossed the lines of appropriateness. I don't think I'd feel comfortable with any of the younger members reading the exchange. Not to mention way off topic.

In fairness, I definitely think we crossed the lines of appropriateness. I don't think I'd feel comfortable with any of the younger members reading the exchange. Not to mention way off topic.

Well, if you consider that the physical world is in fact an expression of energy, there really is no difference between touching people physically or energy-ly without their consent during their sleep. hence "energy rape". We put a lot of focus on physical violations when the non-physical ones (like psychological abuse, manipulation) are just as bad, if not worse. Only extreme physical violations have a lasting effect, simple violations of conscience can forever be devastating. If I write stuff on your face during your sleep it will wash off with soap; if I implant ideas in your head, it gets a bit more complicated.

besides, there's nothing wrong with younger members being worried about people creeping on them during their sleep. It doesn't really matter if the monster under the bed has tentacles or not. We've done far less appropriate in the past (BDSM links in chat for example, and that was Zenchi's good friend who did that, not me )

I"m a little stuck on the my reality being defined as my sensation intake. Isn't the focus of meditation to point out that we're one, that what I feel is more about there being feeling here? Dreams are no different from "reality" in that respect because its all defined on how my brain interprets it. Dreams, then are real in that sense. But I could take it a step further and say that the waking world is the one we all agree on...there are rules that we've "discovered" that make it all tick, physics and such. But in my mind, in my DREAMS, it is entirely MY world where everything works the way I think it should. Literally. Gods playing with Gods?

Dreams are real. That is a funny concept, though I see where it comes from. The only problem is that most people have strange definitions of real. These definitions kinda fall apart when you consider that reality itself is different for every single person that exists. No two people experience the same universe, making classifications on real and unreal difficult, lol.

I do however note the impact of sleeping on our brain interpreting all we have come into contact with and planning for the future. The brain does quite a bit while we are blissfully off in some far off land. Personally I enjoy the fact that while I'm dreaming, I don't know I'm dreaming. It leaves my subconscious completely unbiased by my petty notions that may inadvertently sneak in there while my conscious brain tries to mess things up. I find I can learn from my dreams and that opportunity would be lost if I simply started controlling the dreams.

So while dreams are definitely real, I'll leave the conscious thought to the waking world and let my brain go about it natural path while I'm off in dream-land.

May the Force be with you,
Rai

I think that in this discussion there must be a discinction made between "dreams" as in, your unconcious mind sorting through conscious experiences and analysing, and "dreams" where you are not physically awake but you have a level of conciousness and are participating in an experience that is outside of your own "conciousness bubble". Also, in my original question I asked about connection while alseep, not nessesarily while dreaming.

Maybe dream's continue when we are awake, and we are only able to tune into them when we are asleep!?

In that situation external energies creating influence might be happening all the time, and it means we might be talking about the measure of ones capacity to detect some apparent capacity of the subconscious mind to detect and process it behind the veil of being awake.

I've always thought dream's ended when I woke up, so its a different approach for me.

I don't think I'd call the second state you mentioned dreaming Bren. If you are referring to a meditative state then I personally wouldn't call it dreaming as dreaming would immediately make me think of the first state you mentioned. I can see how others would think of it as dreaming though.

Also I think we at least can all agree on what sleep is, can we not?

On a serious note, has anyone ever tried to reach out to another with their energy alone? If so how did that turn out? That could provide a little more information on Brenna's topic. I've personally only experienced feeling the energy of other things, not using my energy to interact with them. I have a pretty limited experience with that even and would like to know more.

May the Force be with you,
Rai

Raikoutenshi wrote: I don't think I'd call the second state you mentioned dreaming Bren. If you are referring to a meditative state then I personally wouldn't call it dreaming as dreaming would immediately make me think of the first state you mentioned. I can see how others would think of it as dreaming though.

Also I think we at least can all agree on what sleep is, can we not?

On a serious note, has anyone ever tried to reach out to another with their energy alone? If so how did that turn out? That could provide a little more information on Brenna's topic. I've personally only experienced feeling the energy of other things, not using my energy to interact with them.
Rai

Thats why I wrote "dreaming" and didnt use the term at all in my original question. Interestingly Rai, youve asked the exact questions that were on my mind when I started this thread, I had an odd experience recently that I dont believe was a dream and wanted peoples take on that possibility.

Yes I have reached out to others with my energy. I can't say I did it "asleep but not dreaming" because I would have no recollection of it. I've done it laying down to go to sleep after certain excercises and I have done it wakeful. To those emotional aware, I received positive results. To those whom I did not speak to after the fact, I have no idea. Nothing I believe happened has any basis outside of my perception that I can prove to another.