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Taoism
07 Dec 2012 13:45 #82935
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Hinduism.
Most shamanistic religious traditions. Asatru, Druidism, some native american traditions, though most have been warped by modern wicca practice and no longer resemble the way they used to be practiced.
many of the tribal religious traditions from africa, Australia and the americas.
Most shamanistic religious traditions. Asatru, Druidism, some native american traditions, though most have been warped by modern wicca practice and no longer resemble the way they used to be practiced.
many of the tribal religious traditions from africa, Australia and the americas.
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07 Dec 2012 13:47 #82936
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Technically, Mormonism is an older religion than Taoism, but again, that's due to the fact that Taoism isn't a religion.
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07 Dec 2012 14:00 #82938
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But, to the best of my knowledge, Zoroastrianism is the oldest religion on the planet...if you're looking for a "source myth" from which all others originated.
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07 Dec 2012 14:34 #82941
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Hmmm... I'd have to disagree. I think the modern following that Taoism has is not based in religious practices, if I am not mistaken it once was a religion with ancient Chinese roots, with monks and scholar-warriors and such. In which case it would make it much older than Mormanism, since Lao Tzu wrote his first work (Tao Te Ching) around 600 B.C.
I suppose most of this is debatable. I guess it depends on what your definition of "religion" is. After all, a lot of Jedi don't consider Force knowledge as religion, and yet here we are studying Jediism. :silly:
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Alluvius wrote: Technically, Mormonism is an older religion than Taoism, but again, that's due to the fact that Taoism isn't a religion.
Hmmm... I'd have to disagree. I think the modern following that Taoism has is not based in religious practices, if I am not mistaken it once was a religion with ancient Chinese roots, with monks and scholar-warriors and such. In which case it would make it much older than Mormanism, since Lao Tzu wrote his first work (Tao Te Ching) around 600 B.C.
I suppose most of this is debatable. I guess it depends on what your definition of "religion" is. After all, a lot of Jedi don't consider Force knowledge as religion, and yet here we are studying Jediism. :silly:
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07 Dec 2012 15:16 #82943
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Streen, I agree that Taoism predates most existing philosophies. The only reason I said that Mormonism (the newest "accepted" religion I could think of...tho in retrospect I probably should have said Scientology...) was to illustrate the point that Taoism is not a religion. And, as you said, that's probably debatable, dependent on your definition of "religion"...as for me, there's no "god" or moral focus inherent to Taoism. There's no afterlife, or intention to transform people into "good" people or judge "bad" people. There are none of the traditionally accepted "markers" that define a religion as such inherent to Taoism, so I can't call it a religion. To me calling Taoism a religion would be the same as calling the Pacific ocean a "big bath tub"...similar, but oh so very different.
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07 Dec 2012 17:58 #82958
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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i prefer the term "philosophical lifestyle" to religion...religion sort of indicates a lack of flexibility, where as philosophical lifestyle has inherent flexibility since philosophy is adaptive...always changes with the aquisition of new information...just my thought
Warning: Spoiler!
There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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07 Dec 2012 18:15 #82964
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Religion/philosphy/belief system? Call it what you want, I've read it's called all those and dates back to the 4000BC. Can anyone place dates on what you've posted
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07 Dec 2012 18:17 #82965
by RyuJin
Quotes:
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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if i was at home with my philosophy book i could place dates on all the religions/philosophies...though i may type it up when i get home and then post it tomorrow or so...
Warning: Spoiler!
There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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07 Dec 2012 18:27 #82968
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Thanks to the beauty and miracle of google and wikipedia...we can all place dates on everything...what dates are you interested in?
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07 Dec 2012 22:09 #83006
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I'd like to back up the people claiming that Taoism has been a religion.
It did not start that way, but it became that way at one point. Now, some people follow it religiously, some follow it philosophically.
Sounds kinda similar to Buddhism, really, in that regard.
It did not start that way, but it became that way at one point. Now, some people follow it religiously, some follow it philosophically.
Sounds kinda similar to Buddhism, really, in that regard.
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