Taoism

"The highest truth cannot be spoken, therefore the greatest teacher has nothing to say. He simply gives himself in service and never worries." —Lao Tzu

That is the one quote from the TTC that will forever guide me. It is my mantra.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can have a word with him? -Zhuangzi

Touché.

It isn't that wise people don't talk, it's that they have learned a simple truth. The Tao finds use in that which has empty space, and there is nothing you can do to achieve this understanding other than to realize you already have.

The bamboo shadows are sweeping the stairs,

but no dust is stirred.

The moonlight penetrates deep into the bottom of the pool,

but no trace is left in the water.


Anonymous

Alexandre Orion wrote: As long as you are advocating effortlessness, non-resistance, non-interference, non-expectation and thus the purest, truest vision of love from within, your stuff may very well be every bit as good as the stuff dug out of old China.



Of course, if it is all about control issues and defending the right to kill people, we'll take the piss out of you ...

:laugh:

Oh god, that's the most helpful and funny thing I've read about violence and Taoism so far, haha. Not sure if resurrecting this thread is a better idea than starting a new one, but I've gotten very interested in Taoism as a result of the members here. It very much speaks to where I am in life right now, and is simultaneously a neglected area of my world religions studies. Plus the fictional character I'd like most to emulate is a pretty good follower of the Tao -- Jimmy Stewart's character in Harvey.

Anyway, for the Taoists out there, what does your "devotional" practice look like, if such a concept is even applicable? What do you find helpful to living the Tao more fully? Do you use any regimen or practice such as meditation? What do you do when you find yourself getting caught up in "the cares of this life," as it were, and starting to return to old "genrefications" of good and bad? How do you stay focused on "doing your job, and moving on to the next" (to paraphrase Ron Hogan's version of the TTC, cause I'm sure I'm screwing the quote up)?

Hi, sleepscience.

I'll answer briefly, if that's alright. I consider myself a philosophical Taoist. My devotional practice is done primarily through.. well.. living, I suppose. Throughout the day, I reflect on what I believe to be the sacred and interconnected nature of the universe and do my best to continually observe my thoughts and perceptions through various lenses. I also enjoy daily tai chi and often put aside time to browse classic Taoist (and Zen) texts. For me, devotion when it comes to Taoism equates to a feeling of being connected with (and/or part of) the Tao, and these practices help bring me closer to that.

I do meditate as well. However, I don't always associate meditation with Taoist devotion in my mind. Meditation to me, in a Taoist sense, can be as simple as stopping to appreciate a beautiful tree or sitting quietly by a gently flowing stream. And you might catch me doing either of those occasionally.

Personally, Taoism has made it easier for me to deal with "the cares of this life." It has helped me become a much more hopeful person because I understand that everything in life moves in cycles, and perhaps more significantly, that fixed ideas of good and bad are just fiction. Like everyone, I have bad days and sometimes fall into the good/bad trap, but I'm usually good at pulling myself out of that state of mind fairly quickly these days (that wasn't the case when I first discovered Taoism).

I'm not sure I fully understand your final question, but will comment that it's been important for me to learn/realize that even in moments when I'm buried in mundane work that I am moving forward. As much as time often feels like it's slowed to a halt in situations like these, you are still progressing and (hopefully) making positive changes. Many times those changes are occurring beneath the surface and are not obvious when things are looked at without consideration for what's happening on the inside.

I hope some of that made sense. I typically have trouble explaining my thoughts on Taoism and what it means to me. The Tao that can be explained is not the true Tao... or something. That's what I read anyway.

Hey, sleepscience,

Like Arcade, I too am a philosophical Taoist and not religious, in that respect. So, my "devotional" practice is simply living and realizing what I'm doing when I'm doing it. A sort of "active" meditation in that I observe my experiences -- e.g. emotions, actions, interactions, events, etc. -- acknowledge them disinterestedly (I'm not interested in holding onto them), and continually self-reflect. I try to, at least. I'm not always successful in accomplishing it, but, when I reflect, I let it be as it is and move on.

One misconception I think a lot of people have when I refer to being a Taoist is that I'm uncaring, or that I'm so "Zen", which isn't the case because I do care, I just don't dwell.

Elwood P. Dowd: "Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, 'In this world, Elwood, you must be' - she always called me Elwood - 'In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

This is for Alexandre. We spoke in chat the other day and I didn't have the likn available to show him;

http://www.taowoods.org/quote/index.htm

Enjoy

BUMP This is for Jestor. Try it you"ll like it.

or anyone elso for that matter

Me and Streen have had many discussions on quotes as such,

"The teacher does not give the answer but asks the question."

A quote that has a deep value to myself.

I got this out of the "Dragon's Mouth" from The British Taoist Association

I found a lot of truth reading it

Ego becomes transparent
Transparent becomes truthful
Truthful becomes harmless
Harmless becomes peaceful
Peaceful becomes united with the world

Those who wish to attain it
Follow the path of Dao

But the self gets tired
Of peace and simplicity
And soon rejoins
The brotherhood of confusion

It makes further attempts
To step back on the path
But its' nerves crave
For a dose of argument
That can only lead it astray
Again and again and again

Those who wish to avoid it
Follow the path of Dao

Don't rely on your
Noisy companion
The self-righteous ego
That disdains your quiet walk
So eager so talk of goals
But unable to make a single step

Have a trust in Dao
And its path of no destination
Where peace is at hand

The Path that's not walked upon
Is not the real Path

Awareness
Awareness is an ongoing process of learning about one's self and world. After reconciling that with one's preconceptions, you can sense the slightest change in and around you. - Lao Fzu




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Blame
It is only natural to notice the faults of others, but what can you do about them? The sage understands that it is wiser to concentrate on your own where improvement is under your control. - Lao Fzu






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We probably won't discuss these too much though, would we ? :pinch:

"Using violence" isn't merely beating someone bloody ... It is also the words we use and how we use them - in public or in private. Arrogance and pride, boastfully one-up'ing another or another "side". Being "right" and "winning" (winning what exactly ? :blink: )

Are we shown up here to learn to live in better alignment with the Force, or to show off how much we "know" about it already ?

Just curious ...

We probably won't discuss these too much though, would we ?

"Using violence" isn't merely beating someone bloody ... It is also the words we use and how we use them - in public or in private. ...

Or in our minds. I think the words we use inside ourselves are the cause of "violence" = internal strife?

Are we shown up here to learn to live in better alignment with the Force, or to show off how much we "know" about it already ? Just curious ... .

A very good question and difficult for one to answere about oneselves but a good question to ask oneself and reflect on. I would initially say if you think your know the force your wrong. If you are certain of the force you are wrong.

I keep thinking about this

or to show off how much we "know" about it already ?

I don't think that can be done with words? May you be with the force. It's totally subjective. You can't show off anything like that, you can only live it. To" think" you could show off would be ostentatious and pretentious, clearly out of balance with the force?

Community
Compassion and understanding are the roots of your community. The sage focuses on the underlying similarities, and overlooks the oddities of others. In this way, everyone becomes acceptable. - Lao Fzu

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www.taowoods.org/quote/index.htm

Facade
Many people would rather read and talk about spiritual growth than actually experience it. The sage understands this desire, and also its futility for change will come whether invited or not. - Lao Fzu

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http://www.taowoods.org/quote/index.htm?focus=4