[Warning Possible Spoilers] Force Awakens discussion (Post viewing) (Warning Spoilers)

First, I didnt like that this movie was largely a wash,rinse, and repeat of episode 4 in so many ways. I feel tht Luke defeating the empire only to ultimately fail in bringing back the Jedi seems...Well, I dont know, it makes episode 6 seem sort of pointless, as if largely nothing was accomplished.

I also didnt like Kylo Ren being defeated by someone who has never even held a Lightsaber or used the Force before, or how he was beating on his wound like a moron. I did like other aspects about him, and I wonder idily if Rey isnt his sister, as twins commonly give birth to twins, they have the same hair color, strong in the Force.

Still, I was thinking, if they were going to white wash the EU, that they would have had something better than episode 4 2.0

Okay. First of all, yes it was almost more of a remake than a sequel. The plot was basically exactly the same, that was evident within the first five minutes. But, it was a great story 30 years ago and it's still a great story now. This time some of the characters got changed around and it was enough of a shift that it was still it's own movie.

Second, it did lack a lot of the mysticism that we all love from the first one (when I say first one I mean Episode 4) but I think that 8 will more than make up for it. We should get to see both Ren and Rey training and that should be awesome.

I will say that the weakest point for me was Kylo Ren. Well...It was really Ben Solo. When he was wearing the mask and acting as Kylo Ren I thought he was pretty awesome. Every time he took of the mask and seemed to waver he became...whiney. Like Anikan as opposed to Vader. After thinking about this and noticing the mask on vs. mask off I think that all of that was on purpose. That made it more okay for me. I am hoping that when he's done with his training we see a more resolute Kylo Ren, more purposeful. In 7 he acted more like he was just mad at his father rather than a true villain.

On a final personal note I want Rey to have my children. :woohoo: :blush:

Yes, but, it being pretty much the same story... Again, what was accomplished with Episode 6? Nothing. So what you blew up the Death Star....again, it seems the empire is content to keep making huge things that blow stuff up. Luke accomplished nothing in defeating the Sith in that well, the Jedi revival went nowhere, and there is a group of Darkside force users, one with a master and apprentice. Sure, it was a great story 30 years ago, and sure, its fine now, except where is the progression of story?

The weakest point for me is that we are back to square one with everything. Sure, some peoples roles got a bit of a shift, but at the same time, not really, and it leaves us with no real character development in the older characters, and the new ones, well, whats left for them except a repeat?

I think that the next movie will focus on there training(Kylos and Reys) but that is keeping in line with Empire...So, where will we see an actual difference in the lines of story that show that the last 30 years people didnt just sit around wit there thumbs in there butts?

All and all, I thought it was a great action film that rested on the bones of an old story.

So what you blew up the Death Star....again, it seems the empire is content to keep making huge things that blow stuff up.

... when I saw it I was like 'does the Empire never learn!'

If you take the movie purely as a Action Film then yea....It was great I loved the imagery and especially loved the trademark Disney Orchestra harmonizing with the film. One of the great things about Disney is their use of music to set the Mood. I think it was very well done for Force Awakens. The Colors, designs, aliens, even the hidden Easter eggs were well played. So if all you want is Lots of Battles, Explosions and Action Packed Adventure. Then absolutely! This is a show to see on the big screen. How else should action be watched after all?

No immersion or story ground work. There are so many things that got thrown at us with very little explanation as to why they are there, how they got there, and who they are.

Poe, for example : Great Character, quirky, fun, charming - Yet we know next to nothing about him and this unknown strange dude somehow comes into possession of the most important peace of information in the galaxy and is later revealed to be nothing more than some fighter pilot.....That's about as much as we get concerning this new guy.

Captain Phasma, She's a super cool Sorm Trooper.....Did I mention this trooper is a She? With Cool Armor? Thats....really about all we know about her though. Like....literally there is no story about her at all.....what makes her so special to stand out the way she does?

Finn, A defected Storm Trooper! No, wait...A Jedi! No, Wait....A Sanitation Officer....Wait....This is his very first time on the field? Why would they put a Sanitation Officer with zero experience out onto the opening battle field we get introduced to within the first few minuets of the movie, seemed to be quite an important mission...wouldn't they want well trained soldiers on that mission? Not waist cleaners?

So all that aside he suddenly gets the case of the conscious and defects....

Not even a day or two out of the base he becomes a Love Sick puppy towards our next introduced character...

As the story unfolds we find out that Finn is a fantastic Saber Practitioner (with no training)

That's about it though. It doesn't help that the actor behind this character keeps boasting about political purposes against racism and how he is going to "Stick it to them" and other insanely vain comments we see him making all over Media....It really makes it feel, to me, that this character was only put in this movie to appease the Political Crowd instead of working to give him a creative role that we can all relate to and love.

Rey, Ok....Yea. Rey is cute Props on that! But like Khaos said....I don't really like that she just somehow becomes a professional and using force powers and wielding lightsabers defeating a major Sith Apprentice thats Clearly had much more training than she has. So now apparently Jedi don't have to work hard at being a Jedi.....You just get to have your "Awakening" and your now a bad ass.

In my story writing realms we call that.......God Modding. :dry:

Super Destroyer - As others have said.....what are we gaining in this movie? It feels very open ended, very loose, and very forced.....

So.....story Wise.... Meh. I did not enjoy it at all.

Action wise however. I thought it was great.....for a one time thing.