What Does Your Belief Influence?

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24 Mar 2013 22:27 - 24 Mar 2013 22:46 #99640 by

Connor Lidell wrote: English sucks. Words are irrelevant. Don't make it into a semantics debate.

Maynoth: you mean you saw something happened and you realized that with training you could accomplish something similar. Practicality only.

Zenchi: Belief can apply to the ideas above. Our brain interprets EVERYTHING we ever ingest (through any sense). So, yes, everything is a belief. But, at the same time, in our functional language, belief implies a suspension of reality. Like, I believe in "god". I believe in "you". I believe in this "box". It's separated from the realities of god, you, or the box.


First off I wasn't attempting to turn it into a semantics debate, just laughing at his grammer, bfd...

Second, I'm not a retard, I really don't need you to explain it to me...
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24 Mar 2013 22:34 #99641 by
Aren't they saying that belief is what motivates you into working out? It kind of goes hand in hand doesn't it?

If you don't believe working out will get you into shape (even if you've observed it working for others) then you're not going to be very likely to go out and get active.

And if you observe a man lifting 500 pounds and observe his workout to get to that point you might think it could work for you...a belief because it's not guaranteed that his workout and progress will yeild the same results for you because bodies are different and some may never see the same results.

But I do agree that belief alone will not get you there. You have to work too.

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24 Mar 2013 22:36 #99642 by
What do you believe your "beliefs" (or even religion), influence in your life?
They influence everything, what lives within will always show itself wither you want it to or not.

Can it play a role in making you smarter? Stronger? More fit?
If your belief etc holds education and health etc in high standing, then yes it will influence it.

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24 Mar 2013 23:23 #99651 by Adder
Ooops I posted in the other thread...


maynoth wrote:
I can believe I can fly, I can be even confident in that belief, doesn't make it so.


I dont understand the relevance of that statement. No-one is saying belief is proof, rather its connection to action. You can fly, you'll just fail miserably at it.

maynoth wrote:
Confidence doesn't give you muscular strength, your training does.


Confidence is an important part of all decision making, without it most nothing can be achieved and absolutely nothing can be achieved with professionalism.

So I think belief plays an important role in all decision making, usually existing as small influences to assist the decision making process. Perhaps serving as short cuts for decision making where a topic might not be accurate but is accurate enough to assist in shaping your decisions. When beliefs becomes bigger and more complex they can start to become weaker due to the nature of the assumptions contained in that particular belief. So it makes me wonder that it might be important to carefully reconsider our beliefs from time to time to make sure we are not being done an injustice by them, or are using them incorrectly.

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25 Mar 2013 01:23 #99685 by steamboat28

Connor Lidell wrote: English sucks. Words are irrelevant. Don't make it into a semantics debate.

All I'm going to say on this is that our ideas shape our language, and our language shapes our beliefs. It will be hard to separate them in this discussion.
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25 Mar 2013 01:31 #99689 by
What I am getting at is that having an effective method, and putting in the required effort are how you develop abilities.

I've got tons of friends, that are into magick who think this next spell is going to let them influence reality to the degree they need to win the lottery, or hollow out a mountain full of dwarf *** slaves and an army of undead skeletons and demons to bring about the apocalypse.

Reality doesn't work like that.

People who have amazing abilities worked for it, they also had systems that allowed to lift themselves up by their own bootstraps, they didn't wake up one morning believing it and poof they were rich, or geniuses, or brilliant musicians, or polygots, or polymaths, etc.


Everything has a price, everything. There is no free lunch.

Arnold didn't get muscles by thinking about getting muscles really hard.

The practices of the masters I study, work irregardless of what you believe religiously, spirituality or philosophically.

The only thing you have to provide is the hard work, and diligent training and meditation.

That's what I am getting.


Adder wrote: Ooops I posted in the other thread...


maynoth wrote:
I can believe I can fly, I can be even confident in that belief, doesn't make it so.


I dont understand the relevance of that statement. No-one is saying belief is proof, rather its connection to action. You can fly, you'll just fail miserably at it.

maynoth wrote:
Confidence doesn't give you muscular strength, your training does.


Confidence is an important part of all decision making, without it most nothing can be achieved and absolutely nothing can be achieved with professionalism.

So I think belief plays an important role in all decision making, usually existing as small influences to assist the decision making process. Perhaps serving as short cuts for decision making where a topic might not be accurate but is accurate enough to assist in shaping your decisions. When beliefs becomes bigger and more complex they can start to become weaker due to the nature of the assumptions contained in that particular belief. So it makes me wonder that it might be important to carefully reconsider our beliefs from time to time to make sure we are not being done an injustice by them, or are using them incorrectly.

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25 Mar 2013 03:06 #99736 by
lol. I guess people missed the point of my post...

The point was that I used words to articulate my meaning with the intention that it would engender some backlash.

Zenchi, I'm sorry you didn't see I was being pedantic and sardonic.

steamboat28, that's the point. hee hee.

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25 Mar 2013 03:41 #99749 by

Connor Lidell wrote: lol. I guess people missed the point of my post...

The point was that I used words to articulate my meaning with the intention that it would engender some backlash.

Zenchi, I'm sorry you didn't see I was being pedantic and sardonic.

steamboat28, that's the point. hee hee.


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25 Mar 2013 11:58 #99791 by

Proteus wrote: To help keep another thread on topic, I thought I'd start this thread to proceed with another topic that was started in it.

What do you believe your "beliefs" (or even religion), influence in your life?

Can it play a role in making you smarter? Stronger? More fit?

How relevant is it in these ways if at all?



Beliefs directs/influences my thoughts and action.

If you believe then it can be done.

If I had no beliefs I would drift through life aimlessly.

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25 Mar 2013 13:59 #99801 by rugadd
When I think the words "I am a Jedi", because I believe them, I gain strength to overcome temptations, confidence in my abilities, faith in Life and the will to impose a higher standard for myself. I haven't observed this in others because I can't read minds. To answer the original question, my beliefs influence me to become what I view as a better person in the moment that decision is made.

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