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What Does Pain Teach Us?
16 Mar 2013 04:38 #98090
by RyuJin
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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Certain types of pain are enjoyable,as contradictory as that may sound, because they remind us that we're still alive...other types of pain teach us not to do whatever caused it...a child doesn't know what to fear until they get hurt...all pains are experience, and experience is knowledge/wisdom gained...
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There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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16 Mar 2013 05:58 #98096
by Adder
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Pain is generally divided into the following modes;
- sensory-discriminative (milliseconds)
- affective-motivational (milliseconds->seconds)
- cognitive-evaluative (seconds)
Asking 'What does pain teach us' sounds like your asking about that last one, cognitive-evaluative.
Apparantly there is a double dissociation between the first two types, being an objective measure of intensity and a subjective feel of quality respectively. The process can be categorized as stages;
- transduction (tissue trauma to nociceptors)
- transmission (nociceptors to spinal cord)
- central representation (spinal cord into thalamus)
- modulation (action of the cortex and spinal cord to inhibit flow of pain information)
So perhaps it depends on the type of pain, and the conditions around it. Specifically in the cognitive-evaluative mode pain itself can be modified by expectations and situational variables [Petrovic and Ingvar, 2002]. There seems to be 3 experiences to modulate pain;
- attention
- placebo analgesia
- hypnotic analgesia
It's an interesting topic, but I guess there is also psychological hardship which some people might call pain, versus that physiological pain described above. Interestingly for pain transmission there seems to be two systems which share the same complexes into the brain, that being pain and itch.
"A new study of itch adds to growing evidence that the chemical signals that make us want to scratch are the same signals that make us wince in pain.
The interactions between itch and pain are only partly understood, said itch and pain researcher Diana Bautista, an assistant professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California, Berkeley. The skin contains some nerve cells that respond only to itch and others that respond only to pain. Others, however, respond to both, and some substances cause both itching and pain."
and
"Pain and itch are extremes of our sense of touch, which itself is not well understood, Bautista said. While research has shown in detail how touch receptors on the skin map to the brain, “it’s really an open question which molecules are involved in detecting tactile stimuli, like vibrations or light touch, and how these molecules are modulated.”"
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I know I've completely avoided the question, but not on purpose :pinch:
- sensory-discriminative (milliseconds)
- affective-motivational (milliseconds->seconds)
- cognitive-evaluative (seconds)
Asking 'What does pain teach us' sounds like your asking about that last one, cognitive-evaluative.
Apparantly there is a double dissociation between the first two types, being an objective measure of intensity and a subjective feel of quality respectively. The process can be categorized as stages;
- transduction (tissue trauma to nociceptors)
- transmission (nociceptors to spinal cord)
- central representation (spinal cord into thalamus)
- modulation (action of the cortex and spinal cord to inhibit flow of pain information)
So perhaps it depends on the type of pain, and the conditions around it. Specifically in the cognitive-evaluative mode pain itself can be modified by expectations and situational variables [Petrovic and Ingvar, 2002]. There seems to be 3 experiences to modulate pain;
- attention
- placebo analgesia
- hypnotic analgesia
It's an interesting topic, but I guess there is also psychological hardship which some people might call pain, versus that physiological pain described above. Interestingly for pain transmission there seems to be two systems which share the same complexes into the brain, that being pain and itch.
"A new study of itch adds to growing evidence that the chemical signals that make us want to scratch are the same signals that make us wince in pain.
The interactions between itch and pain are only partly understood, said itch and pain researcher Diana Bautista, an assistant professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California, Berkeley. The skin contains some nerve cells that respond only to itch and others that respond only to pain. Others, however, respond to both, and some substances cause both itching and pain."
and
"Pain and itch are extremes of our sense of touch, which itself is not well understood, Bautista said. While research has shown in detail how touch receptors on the skin map to the brain, “it’s really an open question which molecules are involved in detecting tactile stimuli, like vibrations or light touch, and how these molecules are modulated.”"
Reference Link here
I know I've completely avoided the question, but not on purpose :pinch:
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16 Mar 2013 20:32 #98130
by rugadd
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IS it possible that our separation of physical pleasure and pain is perhaps a bit arbitrary?
I ask because when I wince, it can look like a smile...
I ask because when I wince, it can look like a smile...
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16 Mar 2013 21:01 #98135
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Pain is a warning. It teaches us to be carefull. Don't confuse pain with pleaure, that's like comparing an appitite to staarvation. You can always point out extreem examples but that distracts from the essence of the question.
It is interesting how folks respond to a nondiscript question. I think that tells us as much about the person as their answer.
It is interesting how folks respond to a nondiscript question. I think that tells us as much about the person as their answer.
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17 Mar 2013 20:49 #98248
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You really should read Star Wars: Traitor.
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It is interesting how folks respond to a nondiscript question. I think that tells us as much about the person as their answer.
You really should read Star Wars: Traitor.
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17 Mar 2013 22:12 #98254
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I could try and theorize some important concept stemming from the lessons learned from pain, but I won't; probably wouldn't do that well anyway.
But I'll share a lesson I learned from my own pain:
I broke my ankle when a 250lb dude landed on it during basketball. I learned that I can live without basketball, haha.
But I'll share a lesson I learned from my own pain:
I broke my ankle when a 250lb dude landed on it during basketball. I learned that I can live without basketball, haha.
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18 Mar 2013 20:45 #98439
by Brenna
Walking, stumbling on these shadowfeet
Part of the seduction of most religions is the idea that if you just say the right things and believe really hard, your salvation will be at hand.
With Jediism. No one is coming to save you. You have to get off your ass and do it yourself - Me
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Pain teaches us that there are things we have not yet resolved.
Walking, stumbling on these shadowfeet
Part of the seduction of most religions is the idea that if you just say the right things and believe really hard, your salvation will be at hand.
With Jediism. No one is coming to save you. You have to get off your ass and do it yourself - Me
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19 Mar 2013 00:21 #98473
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Go for it.
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Learn_To_Know wrote: I could try and theorize some important concept stemming from the lessons learned from pain, but I won't; probably wouldn't do that well anyway.
Go for it.
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19 Mar 2013 00:35 #98480
by Angelus
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As someone who has struggled with severe depression for a long time, the near-absence of pain (at least, some kinds...) is also an almost ever-present sensation that I am very usually cognizant of. But I know much more of myself because of the burdens i've shouldered and the pain that they've caused, than I do because of any attempts at self-realization. It also, on occassion, shows me just how little i've grown and how much I don't know. Though, being eighteen, I am remarkably ignorant in many respects.
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